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[QUOTE=Fuji Abound]
Lister Noble,
You had a good instructor.
Fuji,you are right.
He has just celebrated 50 years of professional flying!
He has flown everthing from Meteors and Vampires to Hunters,Lightnings to Harriers and most medium and small prop aircraft.
It is an honour to be taught by him.
Lister
Lister Noble,
You had a good instructor.
Fuji,you are right.
He has just celebrated 50 years of professional flying!
He has flown everthing from Meteors and Vampires to Hunters,Lightnings to Harriers and most medium and small prop aircraft.
It is an honour to be taught by him.
Lister
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Dr E
I agree with your other comments but:
"So how do you expect someone with 15hrs training to achieve the same standard as someone with 55 hrs (for PPL IR)."
I never said I did - and I dont
"If well trained and current an IMC holder should be able to perform a perfectly satisfactory ILS (ie within half scale glideslope/localiser) down to the CAA recommended minima."
I never said he shouldnt - that was why I said down to minima NOT CAA recommended minima.
"Once an IMC holder has learnt more, then they can think about lowering their minima."
Exactly my point as long as they continue to learn as you have said.
I am wondering if I put my point that badly. I was simply attempting to make the observation within the context of this thread that at the end of your training you have reached a standard, that for many that standard detioriates through lack of practice, but for some their skill level improves. So far as this thread was concerned I was making the observation that at the end of your PPL training whilst legal, flying in certain conditions would be ill advised, but if you continue to develop your skills they may be "a walk in the park". Simple and obvious point I guess.
.. .. .. but Lister if you have recently qualified it would be interesting to know whether you have kept those skills in practice and whether you feel you are a better pilot now than when you first qualified and if not, why not?
I agree with your other comments but:
"So how do you expect someone with 15hrs training to achieve the same standard as someone with 55 hrs (for PPL IR)."
I never said I did - and I dont
"If well trained and current an IMC holder should be able to perform a perfectly satisfactory ILS (ie within half scale glideslope/localiser) down to the CAA recommended minima."
I never said he shouldnt - that was why I said down to minima NOT CAA recommended minima.
"Once an IMC holder has learnt more, then they can think about lowering their minima."
Exactly my point as long as they continue to learn as you have said.
I am wondering if I put my point that badly. I was simply attempting to make the observation within the context of this thread that at the end of your training you have reached a standard, that for many that standard detioriates through lack of practice, but for some their skill level improves. So far as this thread was concerned I was making the observation that at the end of your PPL training whilst legal, flying in certain conditions would be ill advised, but if you continue to develop your skills they may be "a walk in the park". Simple and obvious point I guess.
.. .. .. but Lister if you have recently qualified it would be interesting to know whether you have kept those skills in practice and whether you feel you are a better pilot now than when you first qualified and if not, why not?
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Originally Posted by Fuji Abound
Dr E
.. .. .. but Lister if you have recently qualified it would be interesting to know whether you have kept those skills in practice and whether you feel you are a better pilot now than when you first qualified and if not, why not?
.. .. .. but Lister if you have recently qualified it would be interesting to know whether you have kept those skills in practice and whether you feel you are a better pilot now than when you first qualified and if not, why not?
I will keep posting as my flying progresses, and fully intend to practice my CFI's advice!
Lister
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but Lister if you have recently qualified it would be interesting to know whether you have kept those skills in practice and whether you feel you are a better pilot now than when you first qualified and if not, why not?
Now, twenty years later, due to lack of practice and I guess "age", I consider myself a less capable "flyer" but possibly a better "pilot". The reason being, that I now think more about how, why and when I fly, and I know my limitations. whereas back then ... I just flew without much thought! Luckily I was flying a lot more, and had that did have a certain amount of natural ability that got me through unscathed. I just wish I had retained level of currency and could "fly" as well now!
SS
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I was making the observation that at the end of your PPL training whilst legal, flying in certain conditions would be ill advised, but if you continue to develop your skills they may be "a walk in the park".
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Shortstripper
I absolutely agree.
I believe two skills come with time.
The first is the skill you develop by doing something repetitively. Many find cross wind landings tough for a long time, but if you do enough the problem largely goes away.
The second is the skill you develop by having done a lot which leaves you more aware of the things that can go wrong when you are not as current as you like.
The second is the skill that hopefully keeps you out of trouble before you get into it, the first is the skill that gets you out of trouble if you have got into it.
I absolutely agree.
I believe two skills come with time.
The first is the skill you develop by doing something repetitively. Many find cross wind landings tough for a long time, but if you do enough the problem largely goes away.
The second is the skill you develop by having done a lot which leaves you more aware of the things that can go wrong when you are not as current as you like.
The second is the skill that hopefully keeps you out of trouble before you get into it, the first is the skill that gets you out of trouble if you have got into it.
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From: 75N 16E
My GPS doesn't show me the position of the masts near my home airfield.
I have flown many aeroplanes without MM GPS, the MM is a very nice addition but not essential. In your case I would create say 3 waypoints (by reference to a chart) describing an inbound route that would keeep me clear of any hazards, and as long as my cross track error was below a certain amount I can be 99.9% sure I'll be ok. In fact it may be a wise idea to have the approach into your airfield as a permanent route in case of such situations....oh wait, I think I've just created a GPS approach 
While you're at it, may as well create a SID
