Top Gear 11 Dec 05 - Cessna 182 race vs Begatti (spelling)
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A cessna 150 would probably beat the bugatti in a straight race from Topgears chosen positions.
It would have been good TV for us flyers if the cessna won but lets face it, we where the minority watching that day!
A cessna 150 would probably beat the bugatti in a straight race from Topgears chosen positions.
It would have been good TV for us flyers if the cessna won but lets face it, we where the minority watching that day!
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yeah, still I wonder how James May got paid for that episode? And who covered the rental cost? Hes not CPL I think hes a PPL
Having said that, the Top Gear setup was not really taking other business, James was being paid for his presenting, not the actual flying and people should stop stirring the S*%$t just for the sake of it.
(Still think it could have been done better though)
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Posts elsewhere indicate a CPL/FI or higher in the right seat so legal all round.... I don't think they would have been quite that crazy. And James May gets some X-country hours in for free to help towards his PPL.
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There are a few ways you can fly legaly and be paid at the same time, the important thing is you are not paid for the actual flying . One example of this might be someone who is employed as a salesman and flys to his business meetings in a company owned or leased machine much as if he was using a company car. If James was paid extra for the flying here it would be illegal, if it was just done as part of his "normal" work then I think he can get away with it.
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Ok Guys.
Top Gear is a car show, so car wins. end of story.
182 from west london aero club, with cpl instuctor in right hand seat. Yes he could have beaten the bugatti, but it would not have been so much fun.
James may is a student PPL at White Waltham and a thoroughly nice man.
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Top Gear is a car show, so car wins. end of story.
182 from west london aero club, with cpl instuctor in right hand seat. Yes he could have beaten the bugatti, but it would not have been so much fun.
James may is a student PPL at White Waltham and a thoroughly nice man.
Regards
Wide
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Top Gear is a very entertaining show which is aimed fairly and squarley at the type of male and (more recentlty) female which you can see idolising bully boy Clarkson - It's My Show SO I Win OK! - from the audiance standing behind.
Now, in a previous life I was that man - not Clarkson thank God - the gauking pertolhead in the audiance. I have owned very nice sports cars which were far too powerfull for my abilities and had some hairy moments on and off of race tracks. I have had the Burberry wearing Fiesta driver 2 inches off of my tail at 60mph showing what a man he is that he can keep up with me and I've had the rally look alike 40 year old born again drivers of Subarus overtake on blind summits just to show me how much faster and braver they are!
I got well pi**ed off with this and sold the cars and took to the air. What an amazing skill to have, to fly an aeroplane. We probably all now take it for granted being able to jump into an aeroplane and head off for that £100 burger. When was the last time you thought about doing that in a car!
I quite like the Hampster Hammond however I would probably have made my excuses and switched the intercom to crew only after a while. But that was not in the script and therin lies the truth of the story - its a scripted show!
Don't get sucked in by their uneducated comments - I wonder how Hammond would have coped with the engine coughing shortly after take off due to water if the tanks had not been tested?
Me, I'm going to stick to flying long distances, whether commercially as a passenger or private as a pilot, for the forseable future. If I have to drive then I take my trusty......
Volvo !
Now, in a previous life I was that man - not Clarkson thank God - the gauking pertolhead in the audiance. I have owned very nice sports cars which were far too powerfull for my abilities and had some hairy moments on and off of race tracks. I have had the Burberry wearing Fiesta driver 2 inches off of my tail at 60mph showing what a man he is that he can keep up with me and I've had the rally look alike 40 year old born again drivers of Subarus overtake on blind summits just to show me how much faster and braver they are!
I got well pi**ed off with this and sold the cars and took to the air. What an amazing skill to have, to fly an aeroplane. We probably all now take it for granted being able to jump into an aeroplane and head off for that £100 burger. When was the last time you thought about doing that in a car!
I quite like the Hampster Hammond however I would probably have made my excuses and switched the intercom to crew only after a while. But that was not in the script and therin lies the truth of the story - its a scripted show!
Don't get sucked in by their uneducated comments - I wonder how Hammond would have coped with the engine coughing shortly after take off due to water if the tanks had not been tested?
Me, I'm going to stick to flying long distances, whether commercially as a passenger or private as a pilot, for the forseable future. If I have to drive then I take my trusty......
Volvo !
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I couldn't agree more. Prior to the PPL I was a PetrolHead with a TVR (that funnily enough didn't break down!) and although it was glorious, the Neds/Chavs made normal driving unbearable because everyone wanted to "have a go".
Switching to flying means that I am in an environment where my peers are co-operative, rather than competitive. Focus is entirely on judgement, skill and enjoyment as opposed to posturing. (ok well still a bit of posturing in the club house later...)
I still watch TG for the pantomime, but given my new found "enlightenment" with flying, the TG episode did nark.
If only the program editors of Discovery Wings could inject "New TG" type production values and make the Wings programs a bit more technical, less American and a whole lot more fun.
I couldn't agree more. Prior to the PPL I was a PetrolHead with a TVR (that funnily enough didn't break down!) and although it was glorious, the Neds/Chavs made normal driving unbearable because everyone wanted to "have a go".
Switching to flying means that I am in an environment where my peers are co-operative, rather than competitive. Focus is entirely on judgement, skill and enjoyment as opposed to posturing. (ok well still a bit of posturing in the club house later...)
I still watch TG for the pantomime, but given my new found "enlightenment" with flying, the TG episode did nark.
If only the program editors of Discovery Wings could inject "New TG" type production values and make the Wings programs a bit more technical, less American and a whole lot more fun.
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If only the program editors of Discovery Wings could inject "New TG" type production values and make the Wings programs a bit more technical, less American and a whole lot more fun.
Why do it if it's not fun?
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just checked - [the repeat is on] Tuesday 8pm on BBC Prime
But I don't have access to BBC Prime.
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FFF,
you mised it??!
after all the times that i reminded you! How could you?!
Its not on this tuesday though, some "snooker" game? what ever that is?? dont sound like much fun too me! TG and flying is much more fun!
you mised it??!
after all the times that i reminded you! How could you?!
Its not on this tuesday though, some "snooker" game? what ever that is?? dont sound like much fun too me! TG and flying is much more fun!
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Oh no! I was away this weekend, but didn't bother recording it because I "knew" the repeat would be on BBC2 on Tuesday.
A quick on the Radio Times web site confirms it BBC 2 7 - 8pm
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Shame on all of you!!!
Thinking that a poxy Cessna 182 (even with a triple bladed prop) would need flap to let the chopper keep up!
I'll have yer know in my day I chased (escorted) a C182 back across dry land in me chopper and had to slow down to let him keep up! 150Kts IAS no snags.
However, on to more mundane things there were a few gratuitous bank away from the camera shots and 'ohh doesn't that look like a nice valley for low flying' shots that lost them a tad bit of time.
Also it proves that the Bugatti is no quicker than a VW Transporter van! How many times did the bloke overtake the Van with the camera crew in!!! They must have been tankin it.
Finally my A321 gets from South of France back to LHR in about 2 hours, given ATC screw arounds.
Look out and fly accurately
Thinking that a poxy Cessna 182 (even with a triple bladed prop) would need flap to let the chopper keep up!
I'll have yer know in my day I chased (escorted) a C182 back across dry land in me chopper and had to slow down to let him keep up! 150Kts IAS no snags.
However, on to more mundane things there were a few gratuitous bank away from the camera shots and 'ohh doesn't that look like a nice valley for low flying' shots that lost them a tad bit of time.
Also it proves that the Bugatti is no quicker than a VW Transporter van! How many times did the bloke overtake the Van with the camera crew in!!! They must have been tankin it.
Finally my A321 gets from South of France back to LHR in about 2 hours, given ATC screw arounds.
Look out and fly accurately
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There were a couple of errors in the film. As was said before, he was told to land on 18, but it was 17. At the beginning, despite being told to taxy before requesting. He was told to line up Rwy 03. But again he took off on RWY17.
But who cares....It was as usual a very entertaining program. Just wish I had the dosh to own a C182, let alone own or drive the Bugatti.
Considering, Mr May hasn't (from what I gather) been flying that long. Fair play for displaying his flying skills on national tv.
Yes i know he's probably paid bloody well for it..
By the way Mr May, if you read this. You ran on tv without complaining too much about it!
But who cares....It was as usual a very entertaining program. Just wish I had the dosh to own a C182, let alone own or drive the Bugatti.
Considering, Mr May hasn't (from what I gather) been flying that long. Fair play for displaying his flying skills on national tv.
Yes i know he's probably paid bloody well for it..
By the way Mr May, if you read this. You ran on tv without complaining too much about it!
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if the presentation is correct. the c-182 fuel twice and how many times did the 1000bhp fueled for its huuuge tank? must have been more economy to fly the 182. and where had the London traffic gone around Canary Warf on any evenings soon after dark? em...
they said at the beginning that they were not allowed in 4 wheels vehicles so at the end no taxi, fair enough, em.. but... eh... oh well i suppose the bus has 6 wheels. haha... but still i agree top gear is a top show. and of coz its biased for cars.
great presenters. Mr May did have 2 hands on the yoke... i wonder why.... haha. must be the nerves with the camera when flying. i need a cameraman to record my flights like that. both inside and out.
i too was a petrohead for a while but not for long thou, as i took up flying early enough before i spent lots on the cars. And i enjoy every penny i spend on the light sep.. not everyone can fly planes and i am proud of what we can do.
Happy Flying, Driving, Speeding lads/gals
they said at the beginning that they were not allowed in 4 wheels vehicles so at the end no taxi, fair enough, em.. but... eh... oh well i suppose the bus has 6 wheels. haha... but still i agree top gear is a top show. and of coz its biased for cars.
great presenters. Mr May did have 2 hands on the yoke... i wonder why.... haha. must be the nerves with the camera when flying. i need a cameraman to record my flights like that. both inside and out.
i too was a petrohead for a while but not for long thou, as i took up flying early enough before i spent lots on the cars. And i enjoy every penny i spend on the light sep.. not everyone can fly planes and i am proud of what we can do.
Happy Flying, Driving, Speeding lads/gals
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"Thinking that a poxy Cessna 182 (even with a triple bladed prop) would need flap to let the chopper keep up!"
I totally agree! Only a few weeks ago ATC asked us to SLOW down our helicopter on the ILS because we were catching up with the Boeing 767 in front
I totally agree! Only a few weeks ago ATC asked us to SLOW down our helicopter on the ILS because we were catching up with the Boeing 767 in front
