Xmas day @ Heathrow
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Xmas day @ Heathrow
Not sure if this is true, but I have been told you can request a low approach and go around on Xmas day at Heathrow, as its so quiet. Any views on this, I know light aircraft have been into Heathrow before? Tkx IMC
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I suppose if you don't ask, you don't get. and having not seen or heard of such an event occurring at EGLL in the last 16 Xmas Days, I would expect 'don't get' to win the day.
Unless you've got a Spitfire
Unless you've got a Spitfire
I once listened to a police helicopter (Thames Valley?) ask for a "look around" at 0300 one morning. The controller was fine, and let the chap hang about for around ten minutes or so in the overhead. ISTR this was one of the police chappies last jobs before relocation.
Nothing to do with "business", judging by the R/T - just pure curiousity.
Nothing to do with "business", judging by the R/T - just pure curiousity.
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I actually wrote to the BAA a couple of years ago to request the same thing, and I did in fact receive the courtesy of a written reply. This letter confirmed that the friend that said he shot an approach onto 27L was correct, but that now they didnt allow light aircraft to approach EGLL as "It would be unfair on commercial operators should I block the runway for movements"
At the time, I was quite insulted, having flown numerous approaches into busy airports stateside such as KLAX, and KSNA, and so on, but I did see their point. Nowadays there are so many people fleeing UK over the Xmas break.
I do understand from a controller friend, that ATC are in the position to grant a SVFR approach, but that they are unable to grant a landing clearance, as they are only working on behalf of the operator.
I suggest that if you want to be treated as a responsible pilot, and an equal in the airspace community, that you visit the USA, and shoot approaches to land at somewhere like LAX - or go to South Africa, where they welcome you to shoot approaches into Jan Smuts Capetown!
Its a disappointment....... I know
At the time, I was quite insulted, having flown numerous approaches into busy airports stateside such as KLAX, and KSNA, and so on, but I did see their point. Nowadays there are so many people fleeing UK over the Xmas break.
I do understand from a controller friend, that ATC are in the position to grant a SVFR approach, but that they are unable to grant a landing clearance, as they are only working on behalf of the operator.
I suggest that if you want to be treated as a responsible pilot, and an equal in the airspace community, that you visit the USA, and shoot approaches to land at somewhere like LAX - or go to South Africa, where they welcome you to shoot approaches into Jan Smuts Capetown!
Its a disappointment....... I know
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Ask for a Special VFR Clearance via Hatton Cross and M25 Junction 14 not above XXXX legal feet.
If no traffic there is no reason for NATS not to provide the clearance.
Obey the 1000ft and the 500ft rule at all times.
Do not at any stage ask for "an approach to" or "overflight of" or the use of any of the facilities owned by BAA.
It has nothing to do with BAA - they do not own the airspace - to say they can have any "ownership" of the empty airspace above their property creates a dangerous precident for NIMBYs.
Good Luck!
Regards,
DFC
If no traffic there is no reason for NATS not to provide the clearance.
Obey the 1000ft and the 500ft rule at all times.
Do not at any stage ask for "an approach to" or "overflight of" or the use of any of the facilities owned by BAA.
It has nothing to do with BAA - they do not own the airspace - to say they can have any "ownership" of the empty airspace above their property creates a dangerous precident for NIMBYs.
Good Luck!
Regards,
DFC
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Monocock...
If you do, don't forget the new PPL types who are impressionable, and want to see how instrument approaches are done in the real world... Hint hint... if there's a spare seat going
Don't forget the Vortex separations are reduced locally at LHR
And just wondering about the landing fee... does handling apply for a touch and go?
anyway laters
Jon
If you do, don't forget the new PPL types who are impressionable, and want to see how instrument approaches are done in the real world... Hint hint... if there's a spare seat going
Don't forget the Vortex separations are reduced locally at LHR
And just wondering about the landing fee... does handling apply for a touch and go?
anyway laters
Jon
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I spoke to soemone who said he'd done a touch and go at Gatwick on Xmas day - ATC asked him to donate something to charity in lieu of a landing fee.
This was a while ago though, things may well be different now.
Presumably as the airport owners BAA are quite entitled to prevent anyone landing at Heathrow, and I guess that could include shooting an approach maybe, but a transit should be OK? If you could get SVFR it would be fun crossing Heathrow.
And Gatwick's in class D isn't it so you wouldn't even need SVFR for that?
This was a while ago though, things may well be different now.
Presumably as the airport owners BAA are quite entitled to prevent anyone landing at Heathrow, and I guess that could include shooting an approach maybe, but a transit should be OK? If you could get SVFR it would be fun crossing Heathrow.
And Gatwick's in class D isn't it so you wouldn't even need SVFR for that?
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DFC wrote:
There will likely still be around 600 movements at EGLL on the 25th so don't hold your breath whilst waiting for a suitable gap in the traffic. Expert that you are I expect you already know that SVFR is not allowed to hinder IFR.
vancouv,
Gatwick can be transitted under VFR at any time of the year.
WF.
Ask for a Special VFR Clearance via Hatton Cross and M25 Junction 14 not above XXXX legal feet.
vancouv,
Gatwick can be transitted under VFR at any time of the year.
WF.
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I hope the female controller at Edinburgh who always refuses transits is working on Christmas day
"G-WBRY cleared to enter the zone...."
"negative, remaining clear of zone, G-RY"
Providing the pre-flight meal doesn't disturb the W&B!
"G-WBRY cleared to enter the zone...."
"negative, remaining clear of zone, G-RY"
Providing the pre-flight meal doesn't disturb the W&B!
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or go to South Africa, where they welcome you to shoot approaches into Jan Smuts Capetown!
But the big buz was the Lightning and Buc taxiing for take off, haven't seen that since Coltishall and Leconfield in the early 70's. Also heard the sonic boom from a later flight... if only...
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An old instructor friend of mine said he did an approach and go around into EGLL 1 xmas day, he said it was quiet and the controller was quite happy with it but did say in know uncertain words, if your wheels touch be perpared to pay the price!!!
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Sorry chaps, but I'm afraid it will be a resolute no.
MATS Part 1........ SVFR Flight is not to hinder IFR flight and we are expecting about 600 movements or so.
We fulfil the requirements of the BAA on how we operate the airport as ATC. They say "no small person land" and we comply.
Besides.... Haven't you got better things to do on Xmas day? I mean honestly.... I would prefer to spend it with my family rather than sitting in the tower listening to the same Mr T jokes all day long, but I don't get a choice. And there is no controller alive that works his butt off all year long that would be keen to give you what is essentially quite a complex service on the one day of relative peace and quiet that he gets.
In the 9 years I have been there I have only ever seen a handful of light twins come in on medical flights, and never seen a light fixed wing aircraft crossing through the overhead. Helicopters often get turned away for traffic reasons and they can fly the routes, so it is unlikely that they will let you fellas in to play
But stick it on a note to Santa.... 'cause U never know what he may bring
MATS Part 1........ SVFR Flight is not to hinder IFR flight and we are expecting about 600 movements or so.
We fulfil the requirements of the BAA on how we operate the airport as ATC. They say "no small person land" and we comply.
Besides.... Haven't you got better things to do on Xmas day? I mean honestly.... I would prefer to spend it with my family rather than sitting in the tower listening to the same Mr T jokes all day long, but I don't get a choice. And there is no controller alive that works his butt off all year long that would be keen to give you what is essentially quite a complex service on the one day of relative peace and quiet that he gets.
In the 9 years I have been there I have only ever seen a handful of light twins come in on medical flights, and never seen a light fixed wing aircraft crossing through the overhead. Helicopters often get turned away for traffic reasons and they can fly the routes, so it is unlikely that they will let you fellas in to play
But stick it on a note to Santa.... 'cause U never know what he may bring
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In my days at Heathrow, back in the eighties, we once had a posse of light singles arrive, park and depart a while later. Believe me, this was considered by all on the ground as a big imposition - we felt we had to be there for the flights actually scheduled - many of the long-haul flights of course bridge either Christmas Eve or Boxing Day. We were operating on a 'skeleton' staff basis to give as many as possible the day with their families. Don't get me wrong, I was then and remain a keen GA pilot, but it just seems selfish to carry out this sort of activity on the one day a year when all but essential ops are suspended to give everyone a little bit of peace and goodwill to our fellows.
Many GA airfields close for the day, out of courtesy to their neighbours and quite right too.
Gatwick is expecting around 200 movements on Christmas Day this year so it's unlikely you'll get access to the approach. Helicopters are normally accommodated crossing the threshold, but they can hold conveniently. The trial doing the same with fixed wing last year failed and hasn't been repeated. You'll probably get a routing far enough away from the aerodrome to make the experience not very interesting.
Cheers,
The Odd One
Many GA airfields close for the day, out of courtesy to their neighbours and quite right too.
Gatwick is expecting around 200 movements on Christmas Day this year so it's unlikely you'll get access to the approach. Helicopters are normally accommodated crossing the threshold, but they can hold conveniently. The trial doing the same with fixed wing last year failed and hasn't been repeated. You'll probably get a routing far enough away from the aerodrome to make the experience not very interesting.
Cheers,
The Odd One