Heathrow Landing Fee
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Heathrow Landing Fee
Hi There!
Does anyone know how much it would cost to fly a PA34 into EGLL and out again after 10 minutes to collect a pax ?
No handling needed !
........ is it possible and if so, whats the damage?
Any contact number would be marvelous!
Best regards ... ABO
Does anyone know how much it would cost to fly a PA34 into EGLL and out again after 10 minutes to collect a pax ?
No handling needed !
........ is it possible and if so, whats the damage?
Any contact number would be marvelous!
Best regards ... ABO
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Last time I flew there in a G.A. aircraft (both piper Arrow and PA31) landing fees outside peak (essentially pre 6am) were in the region of GB£90 - outside peak was £300 - for any aircraft up to 50 tonnes.
Handling was mandatory (who else would get you the runway slots?) at approx £60.
Parking was charged in blocks of 15 minutes and it will likely take you much more than 10 minutes to do a turn-round.
It IS possible. I'm assuming you will go IFR - in which case the contact numbers are all in your "plates".
Handling was mandatory (who else would get you the runway slots?) at approx £60.
Parking was charged in blocks of 15 minutes and it will likely take you much more than 10 minutes to do a turn-round.
It IS possible. I'm assuming you will go IFR - in which case the contact numbers are all in your "plates".
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SVFR Fixed wing twins do go in and out fairly regularly, normally the AeroMed boys and girls from Oxford.
I am not sure how you know you will only be on the ground for 10 minutes, as your inbound arrival will be subject to the normal delay. As for departing, you will be in the queue with another 20 so the quickest you will do it is 35 mins I reckon!
Fairoaks or Denham as said. MUCH quicker believe me!
I am not sure how you know you will only be on the ground for 10 minutes, as your inbound arrival will be subject to the normal delay. As for departing, you will be in the queue with another 20 so the quickest you will do it is 35 mins I reckon!
Fairoaks or Denham as said. MUCH quicker believe me!
And if picking a pax up from Gatwick, use Redhill, same applies.
Incidentally, I don't believe Denham has a clubhouse, so if you are possibly there for a bit of a wait, take a flask!
G
Incidentally, I don't believe Denham has a clubhouse, so if you are possibly there for a bit of a wait, take a flask!
G
Is this actually possible? I always assumed that landing at Heathrow was out of the question for GA aircraft. I don't really know why, I just thought it was too busy, meaning that if you screw up you make a lot of big boys very unhappy.
Would look good in your logbook though, if you've got the money to do it.
Ginger
Would look good in your logbook though, if you've got the money to do it.
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I may as well tell you all why i'm asking this ....
A colleauge of mine, who has worked with the company for over 30 years is leaving, and as part of his send-off we had planned for him to go for a spin in a light twin / single .... but the most amazing send-off would be for him to be picked up from outside the office (Terminal 3) and flown out for his trip and then once over, land at a nearby airfield such as Denham or Fairoaks and he can walk home!
I would be flying him, but wondered if it would be at all possible, perhaps at the quieter time of day at EGLL, around 1500/1600?
The aircraft would be handled by ourselves, and of course no need for fuel or anything else!
Any thoughts ?
A colleauge of mine, who has worked with the company for over 30 years is leaving, and as part of his send-off we had planned for him to go for a spin in a light twin / single .... but the most amazing send-off would be for him to be picked up from outside the office (Terminal 3) and flown out for his trip and then once over, land at a nearby airfield such as Denham or Fairoaks and he can walk home!
I would be flying him, but wondered if it would be at all possible, perhaps at the quieter time of day at EGLL, around 1500/1600?
The aircraft would be handled by ourselves, and of course no need for fuel or anything else!
Any thoughts ?
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The aircraft would be handled by ourselves, and of course no need for fuel or anything else!
I think you need to apply for runway slots upto 3 (or maybe more) days in advance, not sure on this though?
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The UK AIP section AD 2-EGLL-1 has pretty much all the info you'll need for hopefully putting this together.
Best of luck, look forward to speaking to you on the radio
WF.
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Best of luck, look forward to speaking to you on the radio
WF.
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Subject to paragraph (iv), Operators of General and Business aviation aircraft may only operate in the peak during any operating season if they obtain permission to do so from the airport operator as well as a slot in advance of each movement also from the airport operator.
In practice, permission to operate in the peak will be deemed to have been granted under the terms of the Traffic Distribution Rule
(copies available from Manager Heathrow Operations Centre, Heathrow Airport Limited), if a slot for each movement in the peak is granted. Operators of General and Business Aviation aircraft, who arrive and depart at any time, may operate the movement provided that the aircraft departs or arrives to the approved slot time. Those who fail to operate to the approved slot time or who operate in the peak without first obtaining permission and a slot from the airport operator, are liable to be prohibited from operating in the peak thereafter, unless the airport operator is satisfied that the movement amounted to an emergency or other circumstances beyond the control of the operator or the commander of the aircraft. This permission will not be given for flights for recreational, charity and record breaking purposes. Light single and twin engined private aircraft will not be permitted to use the airport. Applications for prior permission must be made not more than 10 days and not less than 24 hours before the proposed flight and should be addressed to the Manager, Airport Co-ordination Ltd, by Tel: 020-8564 0613, Fax: 020-8564 0690, availability office hours; or by SITA: LONACXH.
These applications must include the following information:
i Aircraft owner/operator;
ii Aircraft type and registration;
iii Origin and/or destination;
iv ETA and ETD;
v Number of passengers;
vi A handling agent (Airline Operator or Handling Agent based at Heathrow) is a requirement for all flights including general aviation and helicopter movements.
In practice, permission to operate in the peak will be deemed to have been granted under the terms of the Traffic Distribution Rule
(copies available from Manager Heathrow Operations Centre, Heathrow Airport Limited), if a slot for each movement in the peak is granted. Operators of General and Business Aviation aircraft, who arrive and depart at any time, may operate the movement provided that the aircraft departs or arrives to the approved slot time. Those who fail to operate to the approved slot time or who operate in the peak without first obtaining permission and a slot from the airport operator, are liable to be prohibited from operating in the peak thereafter, unless the airport operator is satisfied that the movement amounted to an emergency or other circumstances beyond the control of the operator or the commander of the aircraft. This permission will not be given for flights for recreational, charity and record breaking purposes. Light single and twin engined private aircraft will not be permitted to use the airport. Applications for prior permission must be made not more than 10 days and not less than 24 hours before the proposed flight and should be addressed to the Manager, Airport Co-ordination Ltd, by Tel: 020-8564 0613, Fax: 020-8564 0690, availability office hours; or by SITA: LONACXH.
These applications must include the following information:
i Aircraft owner/operator;
ii Aircraft type and registration;
iii Origin and/or destination;
iv ETA and ETD;
v Number of passengers;
vi A handling agent (Airline Operator or Handling Agent based at Heathrow) is a requirement for all flights including general aviation and helicopter movements.
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Hi All,
Denham (EGLD) would be an obvious port of call as already mentioned.
A former instructor at Cabair based at Denham once told me of the CEO of British Midland alternating between landing at LL or LD in his Seneca V. After holding airborne on occasions for 45mins waiting to be granted his pre-arranged slot (due to the typical traffic flow) into LL he stuck with LD.
We do have at least one BA 744 skipper who flies in from home in his own a/c to LD, pulls out his fold up bike and cycles into Heathrow - only to reciprocate a few days after his long haul flight.
What a lifestyle if you can do it!
Good luck,
EG
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Denham (EGLD) would be an obvious port of call as already mentioned.
A former instructor at Cabair based at Denham once told me of the CEO of British Midland alternating between landing at LL or LD in his Seneca V. After holding airborne on occasions for 45mins waiting to be granted his pre-arranged slot (due to the typical traffic flow) into LL he stuck with LD.
We do have at least one BA 744 skipper who flies in from home in his own a/c to LD, pulls out his fold up bike and cycles into Heathrow - only to reciprocate a few days after his long haul flight.
What a lifestyle if you can do it!
Good luck,
EG
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"This permission will not be given for flights for recreational, charity and record breaking purposes."
Does this bit not rule it out then, as I would have though it would come under the recreational bit ?.
Does this bit not rule it out then, as I would have though it would come under the recreational bit ?.
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Are you completely out of your minds?
As an air traffic controller at Heathrow you will NOT BE MADE WELCOME!! Do you not think we have better things to do than find ways to squeeze you and your stupid little single into an already overcrowded system.
If you phone us in ATC for permission the answer will be no. We will phone the aerodrome authority and they will say no. If by some miraculous chance you get into Heathrow then you had better get your chequebook ready 'cause it isn't going to be cheap. The landing fee alone will be at least £250, plus it is mandatory handling as well. But before you get to go out... you will have tea and biscuits with the Aerodrome Authority and you won't be sitting down!!
Go and find somewhere else to play.... It's not like there aren't enough places out there!!
As an air traffic controller at Heathrow you will NOT BE MADE WELCOME!! Do you not think we have better things to do than find ways to squeeze you and your stupid little single into an already overcrowded system.
If you phone us in ATC for permission the answer will be no. We will phone the aerodrome authority and they will say no. If by some miraculous chance you get into Heathrow then you had better get your chequebook ready 'cause it isn't going to be cheap. The landing fee alone will be at least £250, plus it is mandatory handling as well. But before you get to go out... you will have tea and biscuits with the Aerodrome Authority and you won't be sitting down!!
Go and find somewhere else to play.... It's not like there aren't enough places out there!!
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I am all for the "Service" part, and a lot of these people get their ATSOCA services paid for by the Airlines. The hardworking people of Cardiff, Farnborough, Birmingham, etc provide these services to them free of charge.... They have plenty of airfields to visit elsewhere that won't cause disruption to the very people who pay for their "free" services. I would say that is a pretty healthy compromise considering. The other alternative of course, is that anybody using any ATC service gets charged for it and the GA fraternity can go wherever they like. At least that way the airlines will save some money.
What you have to remember is that we provide an ATC service to the Airport Authority.... in this case the BAA.... and they decide who comes into their airport. Heathrow is a PPR airfield for these kind of movements anyway... and we are under orders to say no. The last thing I want to do is give the guys at TC more headaches by allowing these slow performing aircraft into a very tightly run system. Ask any of the Heathrow Radar guys and I'm sure they would agree
What you have to remember is that we provide an ATC service to the Airport Authority.... in this case the BAA.... and they decide who comes into their airport. Heathrow is a PPR airfield for these kind of movements anyway... and we are under orders to say no. The last thing I want to do is give the guys at TC more headaches by allowing these slow performing aircraft into a very tightly run system. Ask any of the Heathrow Radar guys and I'm sure they would agree
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"As an air traffic controller at Heathrow you will NOT BE MADE WELCOME!! Do you not think we have better things to do than find ways to squeeze you and your stupid little single into an already overcrowded system."
's on this forum old chap sort of imply the point should not be taken too seriously - still I wonder what the tea and biscuits are like?
's on this forum old chap sort of imply the point should not be taken too seriously - still I wonder what the tea and biscuits are like?