Lundy Island
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Lundy Island
Does anyone have any experience of landing here? It looks like a fun trip, especially as you get to practice carrier landings. I've only got 50 hours total, so would people suggest a lot of short field practice before attempting it?
Cheers, Ginge
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An unusual and challenging destination - see
http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/ai...undyisland.htm
I believe someone took a Mooney in there, not noted for STOL performance or ground clearance, but whether it left in a container or by air I cannot recall.
http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/ai...undyisland.htm
I believe someone took a Mooney in there, not noted for STOL performance or ground clearance, but whether it left in a container or by air I cannot recall.
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Wow, no wonder I couldn't find it on satellite photos! Sounds like a lot of guesswork is involved in finding the field itself, and it does seem to be a true air-'field'. Thanks for the link!
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I go there most summers (for the Puffins y'know..)
You need permission of Ben The Warden the land (phone the office) and also to be aware of the rough nature of the strip (suits STOL and big wheel aircraft (Otters etc) but it is ROUGH).
I'll post a pic of it a bit later.
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You need permission of Ben The Warden the land (phone the office) and also to be aware of the rough nature of the strip (suits STOL and big wheel aircraft (Otters etc) but it is ROUGH).
I'll post a pic of it a bit later.
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Ginge,
Partly, it depends what you are flying, but whatever you are flying and wherever you trained, 50hrs total is too little to fly safely in and out of Lundy.
It's fairly short, fairly rough, has a hump in the middle and very challenging winds at times. Also, the perspective is confusing approaching to land on top of a high cliff.
Insert Lundy into your first summer of strip flying. Don't do it as your first or near first experience of strips.
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Partly, it depends what you are flying, but whatever you are flying and wherever you trained, 50hrs total is too little to fly safely in and out of Lundy.
It's fairly short, fairly rough, has a hump in the middle and very challenging winds at times. Also, the perspective is confusing approaching to land on top of a high cliff.
Insert Lundy into your first summer of strip flying. Don't do it as your first or near first experience of strips.
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I make that 200m grass.
How many normal GA planes would be within their takeoff performance, in zero wind, and carrying a pilot and fuel + legal reserve?
Does the place have a "runway extension" of some sort, so one could gather speed in ground effect?
How many normal GA planes would be within their takeoff performance, in zero wind, and carrying a pilot and fuel + legal reserve?
Does the place have a "runway extension" of some sort, so one could gather speed in ground effect?
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Not 200m - 400m according to the PFA's Devon Strut. Who should know, having organised trips in for the last n years. Still sporty, I grant you - even without the approaches.
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Could also try Gigha Island. Went there recently and really enjoyed the experience . Some beautiful scenery en route and plenty of free landing vouchers in the magazines! Best long final I have ever flown, and the take off is quite exciting also! 700m strip, so not too intimidating. I am also a newly qualified PPL, but with good planning and a healthy respect for the weather, anywhere is within your reach. After all, who wanted a PPL to do local flights for the rest of their flying hours? Flying is all about the spirit of adventure!
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MAB,
Gigha Island may be suitable, but I think the runway is a bit better maintained than Lundy.
Ginge, I wouldnt even think about going to Lundy until you have a lot more experience of flying into short rough unmarked strips. also you preferably want a taildragger with fairly large tyres as there are plenty of rocks on the field as well as ruts and holes.
Plenty of better places to try first, like most of the other destinations used for Devon Strut fly-ins, if that is the area you want to go to. If you do go to Lundy then a good time would be at the Devon Strut fly-in , as at least there are people there and someone might have inspected a bit of the runway.
Gigha Island may be suitable, but I think the runway is a bit better maintained than Lundy.
Ginge, I wouldnt even think about going to Lundy until you have a lot more experience of flying into short rough unmarked strips. also you preferably want a taildragger with fairly large tyres as there are plenty of rocks on the field as well as ruts and holes.
Plenty of better places to try first, like most of the other destinations used for Devon Strut fly-ins, if that is the area you want to go to. If you do go to Lundy then a good time would be at the Devon Strut fly-in , as at least there are people there and someone might have inspected a bit of the runway.
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Have no fear, after seeing photos of the place I have already written it off for the time being. I'll stick to the slightly less challenging IoW for now, then think about some farm strips once i've got time on the Super Cub. Cheers for the replies though!
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It's closer to 400m than 200m and I gather the strip is marked all the way along, as of this year, although I haven't been in myself this year.
I would echo the sentiment about taildraggers: it is really most suitable for them, rather than nosewheel aircraft.
A lot of fun, don't miss it.
QDM
I would echo the sentiment about taildraggers: it is really most suitable for them, rather than nosewheel aircraft.
A lot of fun, don't miss it.
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Ah, Lundy. Memories of a mag failure, leaving aircraft for week sans magneto whilst we took it away for repair...return one week later found said aircraft salt-encrusted...installed repaired mag, flew out OK.
All in all a jolly couple of trips; what a lovely place to visit.
All in all a jolly couple of trips; what a lovely place to visit.
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I attended the fly-in last year which was an interesting experience - on the approach we could see a damaged aircraft lying to one side of the runway. It turned out that the pilot of this Vans RV7 had 'lost it' on the humps and then collided with the granite blocks which form a line down one side - gear collapsed resulting in heavy damage .
Then, towards the end of the event, a 172 attempted to depart on the wrong runway heading. Since the threshold is down a relatively steep incline he didn't realise his mistake until he came over the ridge .... finding himself pointing directly at the line of parked aircraft. He was too fast to stop but just had sufficient speed to clear everybody before stalling in behind the line. A very heavy inpact resulted in a trapped, concussed pilot and fuel leaking from the wing tanks. Fortunately for him there were two incredibly brave RAF crew who, despite the fuel everywhere, dragged him out and made a run for it ... just seconds before the whole lot blew up! He owes his life to them.
I would say you shouldn't go in with less than 200 hours and plenty of practice on rough strips with an emphasis on short field(carrier style) landings. Its not the place to be floating down the runway. Well placed confidence is the key. That said, it's a great place to visit and I only mention the above two incidents to give you a perspective on what lies in wait for those short on experience or confidence. The other eighty attendees were fine!
Then, towards the end of the event, a 172 attempted to depart on the wrong runway heading. Since the threshold is down a relatively steep incline he didn't realise his mistake until he came over the ridge .... finding himself pointing directly at the line of parked aircraft. He was too fast to stop but just had sufficient speed to clear everybody before stalling in behind the line. A very heavy inpact resulted in a trapped, concussed pilot and fuel leaking from the wing tanks. Fortunately for him there were two incredibly brave RAF crew who, despite the fuel everywhere, dragged him out and made a run for it ... just seconds before the whole lot blew up! He owes his life to them.
I would say you shouldn't go in with less than 200 hours and plenty of practice on rough strips with an emphasis on short field(carrier style) landings. Its not the place to be floating down the runway. Well placed confidence is the key. That said, it's a great place to visit and I only mention the above two incidents to give you a perspective on what lies in wait for those short on experience or confidence. The other eighty attendees were fine!
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'they were not RAF crew'
WR
Exactly who the rescue team were is not particularly relevant to the general risks I was outlining.
However, I was advised by a pilot friend who had spoken that afternoon to the Search and Rescue helicopter crew from RAF Chivenor, who evacuated the injured pilot, that the two brave individuals were connected with the SARS base at Chivenor. It may be that they were recently retired (I think that might have been mentioned). Precisely who they were does not detract from their incredible bravery .... no-one else dared venture near the wreck with AvGas pouring all over the place!
It may be that you were the pilot of the 172 or even one of the brave individuals involved (in which case I seriously hope you're around if I end up in a prang like that, God forbid .... but it won't be due to the use of the wrong runway heading!). But, just for the record, please do feel free to advise exactly who they were since you were obviously close to the situation. They deserve to be acknowledged.
Exactly who the rescue team were is not particularly relevant to the general risks I was outlining.
However, I was advised by a pilot friend who had spoken that afternoon to the Search and Rescue helicopter crew from RAF Chivenor, who evacuated the injured pilot, that the two brave individuals were connected with the SARS base at Chivenor. It may be that they were recently retired (I think that might have been mentioned). Precisely who they were does not detract from their incredible bravery .... no-one else dared venture near the wreck with AvGas pouring all over the place!
It may be that you were the pilot of the 172 or even one of the brave individuals involved (in which case I seriously hope you're around if I end up in a prang like that, God forbid .... but it won't be due to the use of the wrong runway heading!). But, just for the record, please do feel free to advise exactly who they were since you were obviously close to the situation. They deserve to be acknowledged.
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It was taking off the right way down the runway, but came over the hump orientated too far left and without enough speed to clear the aircraft arranged along the side of the runway. It then got yanked into the air without enough flying speed and the rest is history.
That is my understanding from a number of firsthand accounts.
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That is my understanding from a number of firsthand accounts.
QDM