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MikeC
I wonder why NATS puts in such a useless and meaningless disclaimer. I suppose we live in an age of yellow jackets, lawyers and other anally retarded people. Why can't they write something useful, e.g.
THE DATA PRESENTED SHOULD BE OK FOR FLIGHTS OUTSIDE UK AIRSPACE. HOWEVER, DATA FOR AIRFIELDS UNAVAILABLE TO INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS MAY BE INCOMPLETE.
It's also obvious that even for NON-international departure/destination airfields, both lying outside the UK, the EN-ROUTE brief has got to be OK, because one could fly the same route following a UK departure.
However, given the nature of airfield notams ("runway XX closed today", etc), it seems to me that a phone call to the place would be wholly sufficient. Stuff like parachuting ought to be covered by the narrow route briefing, unless taking place wholly within the ATZ. Would you say otherwise?
It would appear to be a marketing advantage for a commercial flight briefing service to get it's feed from within Schengen. Then one could use the same website for notams no matter where one is flying.
Presumably the French withhold the D data from American subscribers too, which is likely to affect the Jeppesen flight planning software.
MadamBreakneck
It's little use talking about lawyers once outside the UK. Over there, they might lock you up in a cage with a bucket in the corner, and a lawyer isn't going to be anyone's priority
THE DATA PRESENTED DOES NOT SUPPORT FLIGHTS ORIGINATING OUTSIDE UK AIRSPACE.
THE DATA PRESENTED SHOULD BE OK FOR FLIGHTS OUTSIDE UK AIRSPACE. HOWEVER, DATA FOR AIRFIELDS UNAVAILABLE TO INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS MAY BE INCOMPLETE.
It's also obvious that even for NON-international departure/destination airfields, both lying outside the UK, the EN-ROUTE brief has got to be OK, because one could fly the same route following a UK departure.
However, given the nature of airfield notams ("runway XX closed today", etc), it seems to me that a phone call to the place would be wholly sufficient. Stuff like parachuting ought to be covered by the narrow route briefing, unless taking place wholly within the ATZ. Would you say otherwise?
It would appear to be a marketing advantage for a commercial flight briefing service to get it's feed from within Schengen. Then one could use the same website for notams no matter where one is flying.
Presumably the French withhold the D data from American subscribers too, which is likely to affect the Jeppesen flight planning software.
MadamBreakneck
It's little use talking about lawyers once outside the UK. Over there, they might lock you up in a cage with a bucket in the corner, and a lawyer isn't going to be anyone's priority
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From: Savannah GA & Portsmouth UK
I wonder why NATS puts in such a useless and meaningless disclaimer.
We've already seen that France does not distribute series D internationally and who knows what similar oddities the other 80 odd ICAO contracting States might have? No commercial organisation is going to take on potential liabilities for things that are not its reponsibility and which are outside its control.
Also, from a purely commercial viewpoint if Wizzoland's AIS has a fantastic free briefing service while Notsowizzoland charges for the service, it stands to reason that everyone will start using Wizzoland's service, putting more costs on them to handle the additional traffic.
For example you can brief from Austria's AIS which will cost you Eur 36 per annum or you can brief from UK AIS which costs you nothing. If you got an identical service from both which would you use?
Mike
