Light Aircraft Down, Today At Kemble (Merged)
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Plane crashed on takeoff between 14:30 and 15:00, severe fire on impact, fatal, don't know what type or how many souls on board.
We were having a meal in the restaurant when the crash alarm went off. Saw black smoke off end of runway, then massive flames before fire tender got there.
was stopped by police on leaving (by road) and told no-one got out.
condolences to all affected.
We were having a meal in the restaurant when the crash alarm went off. Saw black smoke off end of runway, then massive flames before fire tender got there.
was stopped by police on leaving (by road) and told no-one got out.
condolences to all affected.
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here's the BBC report
Plane crashes killing two people
Two people have been killed in a plane crash in Gloucestershire.
The small private aircraft came down shortly after take-off, in a field half a mile from Kemble Airfield and burst into flames on Friday afternoon.
The emergency services were called to the scene near the village of Culkerton and a large area has been sealed off.
Air accident investigators have been brought in. No details have been released yet about the identity of the two people who died.
Gloucestershire Police said all three emergency services were called to the scene after people saw a light aircraft coming down.
Glen Moreman, events co-ordinator at Kemble Airfield, said the two-seater aircraft took off just after 1430 GMT.
"About half-a-mile from the end of the runway the aircraft was seen to suddenly loose height.
"It crashed into a field, burst into flames and a dense pall of smoke was seen to rise in the air." he said.
Plane crashes killing two people
Two people have been killed in a plane crash in Gloucestershire.
The small private aircraft came down shortly after take-off, in a field half a mile from Kemble Airfield and burst into flames on Friday afternoon.
The emergency services were called to the scene near the village of Culkerton and a large area has been sealed off.
Air accident investigators have been brought in. No details have been released yet about the identity of the two people who died.
Gloucestershire Police said all three emergency services were called to the scene after people saw a light aircraft coming down.
Glen Moreman, events co-ordinator at Kemble Airfield, said the two-seater aircraft took off just after 1430 GMT.
"About half-a-mile from the end of the runway the aircraft was seen to suddenly loose height.
"It crashed into a field, burst into flames and a dense pall of smoke was seen to rise in the air." he said.
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Light Aircraft Down, Today At Kemble
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Forgive me for being so blunt but why do these "Light aircraft down at ***" threads seem so sinister and gossipy?
I know they form part of our fraternity and that it can happen to any one of us at any time but I really do feel that sometimes it portrays too much literary rubbernecking for my liking.
Remember the TB10 at the pleasure park near Chichester? I read that thread and nearly threw my guts at the level of morbid fanatisism that was being displayed.
Any of us can spin in at any time and I'm afraid to say that any introductory threads about these subjects are unecessary and really piss me off.
OK, perhaps I'm going through an opinionated spell recently but can anyone here really tell me that these "deceased announcement" threads do anything for anyone??? If it's the cocktail party theory where the first to announce the gossip is "the winner" then please can I inform people that in this situation (where I know that friends of the deceased will read this) that specualtion really is not required.
Oh, and for all you amateur AAIB peeps, don't even think about it here like someone has done in a similar thread on this PF Forum....
I know they form part of our fraternity and that it can happen to any one of us at any time but I really do feel that sometimes it portrays too much literary rubbernecking for my liking.
Remember the TB10 at the pleasure park near Chichester? I read that thread and nearly threw my guts at the level of morbid fanatisism that was being displayed.
Any of us can spin in at any time and I'm afraid to say that any introductory threads about these subjects are unecessary and really piss me off.
OK, perhaps I'm going through an opinionated spell recently but can anyone here really tell me that these "deceased announcement" threads do anything for anyone??? If it's the cocktail party theory where the first to announce the gossip is "the winner" then please can I inform people that in this situation (where I know that friends of the deceased will read this) that specualtion really is not required.
Oh, and for all you amateur AAIB peeps, don't even think about it here like someone has done in a similar thread on this PF Forum....
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I'm with monocock on this one:
I suggest that, as has happened on another forum not a million miles from here that this thread is locked/pulled by mods.
Sure it's a tragedy for the families involved, but what do we contribute on these threads until the official report is out.
Safe flying
Cusco.
I suggest that, as has happened on another forum not a million miles from here that this thread is locked/pulled by mods.
Sure it's a tragedy for the families involved, but what do we contribute on these threads until the official report is out.
Safe flying
Cusco.
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Harsh Monocock
I find the fact that you think I posted this as a "cocktail party" quite sad and short sighted, I posted this for a reason, and that is because it was near me and quashed any complacency that crept in and to remind us all that our "hobby" kills people, (a fact of life is that we all become complacent).
If you check my original post you will see that it was nothing more than for information purposes only, I'm not trying to find out any more details, nor trying to even ascertain what happened.
This is my first post here for months, and now I can see why
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Close at your leisure fellas
Dean
I find the fact that you think I posted this as a "cocktail party" quite sad and short sighted, I posted this for a reason, and that is because it was near me and quashed any complacency that crept in and to remind us all that our "hobby" kills people, (a fact of life is that we all become complacent).
If you check my original post you will see that it was nothing more than for information purposes only, I'm not trying to find out any more details, nor trying to even ascertain what happened.
This is my first post here for months, and now I can see why
BRL / Keygrip
Close at your leisure fellas
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Simple answer really, if you dont want to read this type of news (or rumour), then go elsewhere. Its not a competition to give bad news. Everytime we lost an aircraft or pilot in the RAF, the whole force wanted to know if it was one of their friends involved. It is the same here, people want to know....
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Quite agree, people want to know - is it someone I know and/or is it an aircraft or type I fly, and this is not necessarilly for morbid reasons, People also want an indication if possible of what happened so they can avoid it themselves - a bit of wishful thinking maybe there, but you live in hope!
There is normally also a lot of sympathy going out for those more closely involved and certainly here my thoughts and condolences go out to the relatives.
There is normally also a lot of sympathy going out for those more closely involved and certainly here my thoughts and condolences go out to the relatives.
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Way back in 1998, I found out about a fatal crash involving two people I knew at the airfield I flew from, when a friend phoned VERY early in the morning, having heard it on the news, to check that I hadn't been involved. It wasn't a nice way to start the day. I'd much rather have been informed on PPRuNe. I log on to this site mainly to keep up with information and news, no matter what it is.
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Its like a catch 22. If its morbid facination / rubbernecking and makes your stomach churn then why were you looking at the thread? As mentioned some of us would like to know if our colleages are still safe and flying and has nothing to do with what went wrong speculation. First i knew was when radar advised kemble closed UFN.
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I read about this in the Telegraph at lunchtime. Very sad.
If the inclusion of such threads causes just a few pilots to fly as though the engine may stop, then such inclusion may save lives.
At this time of year, many people are flying for the first time after a winter lay off. Their aircraft have been layed off too.
Lets hope that this tragic news means that others will be extra vigilent when doing checks and be more expectant of an engine failure when climbing out or even just cruising around.
My condolences to the pilot and passenger's families.
If the inclusion of such threads causes just a few pilots to fly as though the engine may stop, then such inclusion may save lives.
At this time of year, many people are flying for the first time after a winter lay off. Their aircraft have been layed off too.
Lets hope that this tragic news means that others will be extra vigilent when doing checks and be more expectant of an engine failure when climbing out or even just cruising around.
My condolences to the pilot and passenger's families.
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Without pre-empting any AAIB report - and also without making any assumptions as to airmanship, I have heard reports that the aircraft attempted to return to the airfield and spun in.
This is not to criticise the judgement of the PF in any way who, no doubt did everything he felt was appropriate to recover the situation. I sincerely regret that he was unsuccesful, and would also pass my condolences to the family - who I understand have tragically suffered a dual loss.
Despite drilling students on EFATO procedures and the mantra to "Maintain Flying Speed and land ahead", it seems to me that there is a general trend for decisions to be made under pressure which appear, on first sight, not to be aligned with established training.
Is there not a Human Factors issue here which warrants further study, or are the causes already well documented? If so, what, if anything, can be done about both initial and recurrent training programs to help overcome this type of problem?
This is not to criticise the judgement of the PF in any way who, no doubt did everything he felt was appropriate to recover the situation. I sincerely regret that he was unsuccesful, and would also pass my condolences to the family - who I understand have tragically suffered a dual loss.
Despite drilling students on EFATO procedures and the mantra to "Maintain Flying Speed and land ahead", it seems to me that there is a general trend for decisions to be made under pressure which appear, on first sight, not to be aligned with established training.
Is there not a Human Factors issue here which warrants further study, or are the causes already well documented? If so, what, if anything, can be done about both initial and recurrent training programs to help overcome this type of problem?
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I'm with Monocock here. I get a bit cheesed off with all the "condolences" etc etc from people who feel that they have got to say it, just to be seen to be doing something. I just hope that if I ever hit the deck, then it's in secret and not speculated to death on here.
However, it's a free country, so if people insist on it, then at least get the information right and stop speculating until the AAIB chaps have done their work, and I quote....
LD Max, you ARE Pre-empting and you ARE making assumptions just by writing it.
Report the facts, then wait to see what the cause was. Remember, that the gutter press reads this forum and it will be written verbatim in 'The Scum' on Monday if we are not careful..
However, it's a free country, so if people insist on it, then at least get the information right and stop speculating until the AAIB chaps have done their work, and I quote....
Without pre-empting any AAIB report - and also without making any assumptions as to airmanship, I have heard reports that the aircraft attempted to return to the airfield and spun in.
Report the facts, then wait to see what the cause was. Remember, that the gutter press reads this forum and it will be written verbatim in 'The Scum' on Monday if we are not careful..