Good news for uncompleted ICAO PPLs!!
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Good news for uncompleted ICAO PPLs!!
There has been a significant change in LASORS 2005 for those who may have begun training for an ICAO PPL(A), either inside or outside the JAA. The new version states:
Any previous flying experience in single
engine-piston (Land) aeroplanes gained during an
incomplete course of training towards an ICAO
PPL(A) may be counted towards the requirements
for the grant of a JAR-FCL PPL(A). Applicants will
be required to obtain copies of their training
records from their training provider, together with
confirmation from them that the training completed
was towards the grant of an ICAO PPL(A).
Applicants will be required to attend a registered
facility or approved FTO and provide evidence of
their previous training to the Chief Flying
Instructor. The CFI will then establish a course of
training taking into account previous experience to
ensure that all the specific requirements of C1.2
have been met.
This is a major change from the previous requirement which insisted:
Any previous flying experience in single
engine-piston (Land) aeroplanes gained during
incomplete PPL(A) courses may be counted
towards the 45 hour minima required for the
grant of a JAR-FCL PPL(A), however the
specific requirements under JAR-FCL (25
hours dual instruction and 10 hours supervised
solo-flight time) must be completed in the
state under whose authority the training and
testing are carried out. (In certain
circumstances training and testing carried out
in another JAA Member State may be
acceptable towards the issue of a JAR-FCL
PPL(A) (see Important Note).
This should mean that if, for example, you started training in the US or South Africa towards a non-JAA PPL(A) and ran out of time/weather/money that, as long as you can get the required proof from the school, you can finish in the UK with full credit for your hours.
Thus there is no longer the same pressure to cram in time at a US JAR-FCL accredited PPL farm - just go over for as long as you want to any FAA training school, do whatever you can and come back over to the UK to finish off...
Well, that's how I read it! Anyone read it any differently?
Any previous flying experience in single
engine-piston (Land) aeroplanes gained during an
incomplete course of training towards an ICAO
PPL(A) may be counted towards the requirements
for the grant of a JAR-FCL PPL(A). Applicants will
be required to obtain copies of their training
records from their training provider, together with
confirmation from them that the training completed
was towards the grant of an ICAO PPL(A).
Applicants will be required to attend a registered
facility or approved FTO and provide evidence of
their previous training to the Chief Flying
Instructor. The CFI will then establish a course of
training taking into account previous experience to
ensure that all the specific requirements of C1.2
have been met.
This is a major change from the previous requirement which insisted:
Any previous flying experience in single
engine-piston (Land) aeroplanes gained during
incomplete PPL(A) courses may be counted
towards the 45 hour minima required for the
grant of a JAR-FCL PPL(A), however the
specific requirements under JAR-FCL (25
hours dual instruction and 10 hours supervised
solo-flight time) must be completed in the
state under whose authority the training and
testing are carried out. (In certain
circumstances training and testing carried out
in another JAA Member State may be
acceptable towards the issue of a JAR-FCL
PPL(A) (see Important Note).
This should mean that if, for example, you started training in the US or South Africa towards a non-JAA PPL(A) and ran out of time/weather/money that, as long as you can get the required proof from the school, you can finish in the UK with full credit for your hours.
Thus there is no longer the same pressure to cram in time at a US JAR-FCL accredited PPL farm - just go over for as long as you want to any FAA training school, do whatever you can and come back over to the UK to finish off...
Well, that's how I read it! Anyone read it any differently?
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Yup, that's how I read it mate. I can see this may completely change the plans/ways for prospective PPL's or current students abroad and those contemplating going abroad!
Cheers
Maz
Cheers
Maz
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Have just checked with a Belgranist chum and it's exactly as I've stated.
No longer will certain US schools have any significant advantage; also if someone goes over for a couple of weeks holiday and gets, say, 15 hours PPL training in, that it'll all count when they come home again!!
No longer will certain US schools have any significant advantage; also if someone goes over for a couple of weeks holiday and gets, say, 15 hours PPL training in, that it'll all count when they come home again!!
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I think it's a fantastic idea and I think it will help people get round the whole "foreign training is bad cos of RT, weather, not used to UK airspace" problem etc because you can do some basic handling and circuit training, say 20 hours abroad and then come back to your local airfield, finish it off and hopefully be ok with the above mentioned problem 
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BEagle....Thanks for your good work. I presume training done in any of the 188 ICAO contracting states would count and not just limited to America or South Africa.
The world is your oyster!!
The world is your oyster!!
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Presumably - that's why I wrote "for example".......
Whether as a CFI I'd accept 'training records' in an unsealed envelope from some unknown training school in Godknowswhereistan is another matter though.
Whether as a CFI I'd accept 'training records' in an unsealed envelope from some unknown training school in Godknowswhereistan is another matter though.
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Whether as a CFI I'd accept 'training records' in an unsealed envelope from some unknown training school in Godknowswhereistan is another matter though.
Im not an instructor or examiner, just a PPL, but if it was my licence on the line...
Regards, SD.
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Nope, the records must be sealed up and sent independently direct from the 'foreign' RF/FTO to me. Otherwise an unscrupulous student may have written them himself - or selectively edited them....
It will NOT just be a question of coming to the UK to do the Skill Test.
It will NOT just be a question of coming to the UK to do the Skill Test.
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What has been said regarding the documentation is very true, I agree. I like the idea also of letting the student put their money where their mouth is, i.e if someone comes along says "I have done this, this and this" then you can say "well show me then" - that should filter out anyone telling porkies! Obviously it may have been some time since he/she done any training so it probably wouldnt work too well anyway.
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CAA LASORS 2005 - The Facts
CAA LASORS 2005 Quote:
“Applicants will be required to attend a registered facility or approved FTO and provide evidence of their previous training to the Chief Flying Instructor. The CFI will then establish a course of
training taking into account previous experience to ensure that all the specific requirements of C1.2 have been met”.
BEagle Quote:
“When I checked out a PPL allegedly trained in the US (not at OBA, it must be said), he too was quite appalling. He had no idea about attitude flying and his approach and landing technique bordered on the dangerous. Another PPL holder trained at a different US school told me that he'd 'never done' a recovery from a spiral descent (a mandatory part of the PPL Skill Test) - and that they'd 'run out of time' on his PPL Skill Test and hadn't actually flown a flapless approach and landing (another mandatory item). Because the school's price structure only allowed a fixed length of time for the Skill Test. He also had difficulty meeting his minimum solo time requirements due to the number of young, inexperienced FIs clamouring for 'hours-building time' flying on naviagation exercises as PIC”.
Question:
Given the CAA LASOR requirement and the experience that BEagle has with US trained pilots (N.B. not from OBA) what course of training would be needed and how many hours?
OBA comment:
Probably nearly the JAA PPL syllabus!
CAA LASORS 2005 Quote:
“Any previous flying experience in single engine-piston (Land) aeroplanes gained during an incomplete course of training towards an ICAO PPL(A) may be counted towards the requirements for the grant of a JAR-FCL PPL(A). Applicants will be required to obtain copies of their training records from their training provider, together with confirmation from them that the training completed was towards the grant of an ICAO PPL(A)”.
BEagle quote:
“Whether as a CFI I'd accept 'training records' in an unsealed envelope from some unknown training school in Godknowswhereistan is another matter though”.
and
“Nope, the records must be sealed up and sent independently direct from the 'foreign' RF/FTO to me. Otherwise an unscrupulous student may have written them himself - or selectively edited them....
Question:
As CAA LASORS 2005 does not require training records and confirmation of training to be sent independently direct from the foreign RF/FTO then what gives authority to a JAA FTO to refuse to accept the training records/training confirmation from a prospective completion student delivered by the them?
OBA Comment:
It appears that personal not regulatory requirements will play a large part in the decision by JAA FTO’s to accept previous training thereby leading to excessive training/expense “just to make sure we have done everything”
In reality if an applicant falsifies or misrepresents their previous training, which would of course be support by logbook evidence then they would have committed an offence under the ANO for which they, not the FTO, could be liable for prosecution.
BEagle forgot to tell you:
CAA LASORS Quote:
In addition to any additional training required (where there is a shortfall of requirements), applicants will be required to complete One cross-country flight of at least 270km (150nm), during which full stop landings at two different aerodromes from the aerodrome of departure shall be made, pass all the JAR-FCL PPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations and pass the PPL(A) skill test.
OBA Comment:
The vast majority of JAA PPL completions carried out at OBA and I suspect elsewhere in the USA are for UK/Irish/EU students who have managed to go solo in the circuit but are prevented from continuing their training in cross country dual and solo due to frequent unsuitable weather. This leads to significant non-required flying training and expense just to “keep current”.
At OBA we typically find that these “frustrated” students have carried out somewhere between 12 to 20 hours of non-required training just to “keep current” whilst waiting for the “day” they can go on cross country dual or solo. In terms of cost this non-required training has “burnt” at least £2,000 of the students hard-earned cash.
It therefore follows that if a student who trains in an ICAO country for their PPL, fails to complete or trains for part of their PPL and then elects to complete their JAA PPL in the UK/EU as suggested in this forum they would face the situation above in addition to whatever additional training the CFI decides “under their discretion” is required. You do not need a degree in accountancy to work out that the likely cost of this completion training would be close to or the same as carrying out a full JAA PPL in the USA which are available at OBA for £2,795, including a JAA Night Qualification and is fully inclusive of everything required (dual, solo, exams, comprehensive AFE study pack, skill test, accommodation, airport transfers, free Form I-20, $230 TSA and SEVIS fees etc.).
BEagle, just out of interest how much does your FTO charge a student for a JAA PPL and Night Qualification on a Cessna? Please make sure in your price you include all AFE/Thom books, LASORS, SE topo, plotter, nav ruler, flight computer, flight bag, ground school, 3 attempts at all written exams, RT Practical Test, all required dual and solo (typically 30 dual 15 solo at OBA), skill test, landing fees and VAT?
£??,???!
The position above is further reinforced by the following:
BEagle Quote:
”It will NOT just be a question of coming to the UK to do the Skill Test”.
In regard to the following:
BEagle Quote:
“Thus it seems that there is no longer the same pressure to cram in time at a US JAR-FCL accredited PPL school such as OBA - just go over for as long as you want to any FAA training school, do whatever you can or wish to do and then come back over to the UK to finish off...”
OBA Comment:
In reality it is the student who elects to “cram” a JAA PPL into 3 weeks. OBA and I suspect most other FTO’s in the USA and elsewhere, would much prefer students for the JAA PPL an other courses to have a longer duration, but students “self imposed” time constraints due to their work/personal commitments dictate the short timescale. The cost to extend the duration any course at OBA is minimal, £91/week for the accommodation, but few students elect to take this option for the aforementioned reasons.
OBA provides a full pre-course AFE Study Pack and actively encourages prospective students to attend a ground school and/or take JAA exams or at least start to study prior to commencing training. In reality few do any of the above despite having all the material available.
It is not the case, as is suggested, that OBA or any other foreign FTO “forces” the student to “cram” a JAA PPL course into 3 weeks. It is the student who dictates the timescale and the FTO that deals with it by giving huge amounts of support to the student in order that they can achieve their objectives in the time available.
Additionally “total immersion” courses, such as those offered by OBA and others have the benefit “continuous continuity”. Students are doing nothing else but flying/studying everyday. They do not have the interference of work and dealing their personal life/problems, which takes away focus away from flying training.
Hence a JAA PPL can be completed by a “raw” student in 21 days, provided the student gives the effort and dedication that is required. OBA has been successfully and continuously achieving the completion of a CAA/JAA PPL and Night Qualification in 21 days for the last 14 years with a 95% of students successfully completing in that time period. The 5% who fail to complete either lack the dedication that is required because the get involved with the “3 B’s” as we call them at OBA (Beach, Booze, Birds/Blokes) or are do not have the personality type that can focus on “total immersion” training in any field not just flying training.
To be very clear it must be understood by anybody contemplating a JAA PPL course in 21 days at OBA or elsewhere that you must be dedicated, focussed and be prepared to give 150% to the course. It is not a case of having a “3 week holiday in Florida and oh, by the way, I will get a PPL as well”.
UK/EU flying training is a very different situation where cancelled lessons due to weather/work/personal issues prevent continuity and lead to duplicated and un-necessary training and expense.
In conclusion the amendments/changes to LASORS are helpful particularly to students who commenced training outside the JAA system, as their hours will now be credited as required by ICAO. OBA pointed this out to John Hills at the CAA many years ago when OBA alone successfully fought to prevent the JAA from stopping training abroad as was their intent.
It also appears that it will also help students who commenced training within the JAA system but elect to complete training for their JAA licence to be issued by another JAA member state than the original that had authority over their initial training. Previously only 10 hours credit for previous training was accepted. The CAA only had a reciprocal arrangement with the Netherlands where each accepted training.
Irish students will particularly benefit from these changes as the IAA flatly refused to accept any training from anywhere towards the issue of a JAA PPL by them so therefore the CAA were only allowing a 10 hour credit even though a student may have logged 50 or 60 hours under a JAA syllabus! It always seemed ridiculous to me that despite training in a JAA member state to a JAA syllabus that only 10 hours could be counted towards a JAA PPL if issued by another JAA member state.
Quite why BEagle and others believe that the changes to LASORS will help their FTO business in the UK and damage foreign FTO’s is a mystery. It will only further boost training abroad as many if not all of the previous and frankly illegal JAA regulations and policies have now been dispatched where they belonged, into oblivion!
Finally I cannot understand why anyone who has 21 days and £2,795 would ever contemplate training for their JAA PPL in the UK or EU. Unless of course they:
(a) Enjoy joining a “club” and paying the usual £100 joining fee and the usual £100 annual membership fee for the privilege of spending money flying at the “club”
(b) Enjoy driving to the airfield to find out their lesson(s) is cancelled because of weather/tech aircraft/double booked aircraft/no instructor.
(c) Enjoy duplicated/unnecessary training and the associated expense.
(d) Want to have circa 60 to 80 hours when they apply for their JAA PPL when 45 hours is required.
(e) Want to pay circa £6,000 to £10,000 for a JAA PPL course.
(f) Want to spend circa 6 months to 2 years training for their JAA PPL.
(g) Enjoy being frustrated by lack of progress.
(h) Enjoy dealing with CFI’s who have their own interpretation of regulations, which act to further exacerbate the general frustration associated with training in the UK/EU.
The USA is the place to train for a JAA PPL and when you have achieved it you can choose where you fly and when you fly, UK/EU/USA and circumvent all of the above!
Adrian Thompson
President
Ormond Beach Aviation, Inc.
“Applicants will be required to attend a registered facility or approved FTO and provide evidence of their previous training to the Chief Flying Instructor. The CFI will then establish a course of
training taking into account previous experience to ensure that all the specific requirements of C1.2 have been met”.
BEagle Quote:
“When I checked out a PPL allegedly trained in the US (not at OBA, it must be said), he too was quite appalling. He had no idea about attitude flying and his approach and landing technique bordered on the dangerous. Another PPL holder trained at a different US school told me that he'd 'never done' a recovery from a spiral descent (a mandatory part of the PPL Skill Test) - and that they'd 'run out of time' on his PPL Skill Test and hadn't actually flown a flapless approach and landing (another mandatory item). Because the school's price structure only allowed a fixed length of time for the Skill Test. He also had difficulty meeting his minimum solo time requirements due to the number of young, inexperienced FIs clamouring for 'hours-building time' flying on naviagation exercises as PIC”.
Question:
Given the CAA LASOR requirement and the experience that BEagle has with US trained pilots (N.B. not from OBA) what course of training would be needed and how many hours?
OBA comment:
Probably nearly the JAA PPL syllabus!
CAA LASORS 2005 Quote:
“Any previous flying experience in single engine-piston (Land) aeroplanes gained during an incomplete course of training towards an ICAO PPL(A) may be counted towards the requirements for the grant of a JAR-FCL PPL(A). Applicants will be required to obtain copies of their training records from their training provider, together with confirmation from them that the training completed was towards the grant of an ICAO PPL(A)”.
BEagle quote:
“Whether as a CFI I'd accept 'training records' in an unsealed envelope from some unknown training school in Godknowswhereistan is another matter though”.
and
“Nope, the records must be sealed up and sent independently direct from the 'foreign' RF/FTO to me. Otherwise an unscrupulous student may have written them himself - or selectively edited them....
Question:
As CAA LASORS 2005 does not require training records and confirmation of training to be sent independently direct from the foreign RF/FTO then what gives authority to a JAA FTO to refuse to accept the training records/training confirmation from a prospective completion student delivered by the them?
OBA Comment:
It appears that personal not regulatory requirements will play a large part in the decision by JAA FTO’s to accept previous training thereby leading to excessive training/expense “just to make sure we have done everything”
In reality if an applicant falsifies or misrepresents their previous training, which would of course be support by logbook evidence then they would have committed an offence under the ANO for which they, not the FTO, could be liable for prosecution.
BEagle forgot to tell you:
CAA LASORS Quote:
In addition to any additional training required (where there is a shortfall of requirements), applicants will be required to complete One cross-country flight of at least 270km (150nm), during which full stop landings at two different aerodromes from the aerodrome of departure shall be made, pass all the JAR-FCL PPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations and pass the PPL(A) skill test.
OBA Comment:
The vast majority of JAA PPL completions carried out at OBA and I suspect elsewhere in the USA are for UK/Irish/EU students who have managed to go solo in the circuit but are prevented from continuing their training in cross country dual and solo due to frequent unsuitable weather. This leads to significant non-required flying training and expense just to “keep current”.
At OBA we typically find that these “frustrated” students have carried out somewhere between 12 to 20 hours of non-required training just to “keep current” whilst waiting for the “day” they can go on cross country dual or solo. In terms of cost this non-required training has “burnt” at least £2,000 of the students hard-earned cash.
It therefore follows that if a student who trains in an ICAO country for their PPL, fails to complete or trains for part of their PPL and then elects to complete their JAA PPL in the UK/EU as suggested in this forum they would face the situation above in addition to whatever additional training the CFI decides “under their discretion” is required. You do not need a degree in accountancy to work out that the likely cost of this completion training would be close to or the same as carrying out a full JAA PPL in the USA which are available at OBA for £2,795, including a JAA Night Qualification and is fully inclusive of everything required (dual, solo, exams, comprehensive AFE study pack, skill test, accommodation, airport transfers, free Form I-20, $230 TSA and SEVIS fees etc.).
BEagle, just out of interest how much does your FTO charge a student for a JAA PPL and Night Qualification on a Cessna? Please make sure in your price you include all AFE/Thom books, LASORS, SE topo, plotter, nav ruler, flight computer, flight bag, ground school, 3 attempts at all written exams, RT Practical Test, all required dual and solo (typically 30 dual 15 solo at OBA), skill test, landing fees and VAT?
£??,???!
The position above is further reinforced by the following:
BEagle Quote:
”It will NOT just be a question of coming to the UK to do the Skill Test”.
In regard to the following:
BEagle Quote:
“Thus it seems that there is no longer the same pressure to cram in time at a US JAR-FCL accredited PPL school such as OBA - just go over for as long as you want to any FAA training school, do whatever you can or wish to do and then come back over to the UK to finish off...”
OBA Comment:
In reality it is the student who elects to “cram” a JAA PPL into 3 weeks. OBA and I suspect most other FTO’s in the USA and elsewhere, would much prefer students for the JAA PPL an other courses to have a longer duration, but students “self imposed” time constraints due to their work/personal commitments dictate the short timescale. The cost to extend the duration any course at OBA is minimal, £91/week for the accommodation, but few students elect to take this option for the aforementioned reasons.
OBA provides a full pre-course AFE Study Pack and actively encourages prospective students to attend a ground school and/or take JAA exams or at least start to study prior to commencing training. In reality few do any of the above despite having all the material available.
It is not the case, as is suggested, that OBA or any other foreign FTO “forces” the student to “cram” a JAA PPL course into 3 weeks. It is the student who dictates the timescale and the FTO that deals with it by giving huge amounts of support to the student in order that they can achieve their objectives in the time available.
Additionally “total immersion” courses, such as those offered by OBA and others have the benefit “continuous continuity”. Students are doing nothing else but flying/studying everyday. They do not have the interference of work and dealing their personal life/problems, which takes away focus away from flying training.
Hence a JAA PPL can be completed by a “raw” student in 21 days, provided the student gives the effort and dedication that is required. OBA has been successfully and continuously achieving the completion of a CAA/JAA PPL and Night Qualification in 21 days for the last 14 years with a 95% of students successfully completing in that time period. The 5% who fail to complete either lack the dedication that is required because the get involved with the “3 B’s” as we call them at OBA (Beach, Booze, Birds/Blokes) or are do not have the personality type that can focus on “total immersion” training in any field not just flying training.
To be very clear it must be understood by anybody contemplating a JAA PPL course in 21 days at OBA or elsewhere that you must be dedicated, focussed and be prepared to give 150% to the course. It is not a case of having a “3 week holiday in Florida and oh, by the way, I will get a PPL as well”.
UK/EU flying training is a very different situation where cancelled lessons due to weather/work/personal issues prevent continuity and lead to duplicated and un-necessary training and expense.
In conclusion the amendments/changes to LASORS are helpful particularly to students who commenced training outside the JAA system, as their hours will now be credited as required by ICAO. OBA pointed this out to John Hills at the CAA many years ago when OBA alone successfully fought to prevent the JAA from stopping training abroad as was their intent.
It also appears that it will also help students who commenced training within the JAA system but elect to complete training for their JAA licence to be issued by another JAA member state than the original that had authority over their initial training. Previously only 10 hours credit for previous training was accepted. The CAA only had a reciprocal arrangement with the Netherlands where each accepted training.
Irish students will particularly benefit from these changes as the IAA flatly refused to accept any training from anywhere towards the issue of a JAA PPL by them so therefore the CAA were only allowing a 10 hour credit even though a student may have logged 50 or 60 hours under a JAA syllabus! It always seemed ridiculous to me that despite training in a JAA member state to a JAA syllabus that only 10 hours could be counted towards a JAA PPL if issued by another JAA member state.
Quite why BEagle and others believe that the changes to LASORS will help their FTO business in the UK and damage foreign FTO’s is a mystery. It will only further boost training abroad as many if not all of the previous and frankly illegal JAA regulations and policies have now been dispatched where they belonged, into oblivion!
Finally I cannot understand why anyone who has 21 days and £2,795 would ever contemplate training for their JAA PPL in the UK or EU. Unless of course they:
(a) Enjoy joining a “club” and paying the usual £100 joining fee and the usual £100 annual membership fee for the privilege of spending money flying at the “club”
(b) Enjoy driving to the airfield to find out their lesson(s) is cancelled because of weather/tech aircraft/double booked aircraft/no instructor.
(c) Enjoy duplicated/unnecessary training and the associated expense.
(d) Want to have circa 60 to 80 hours when they apply for their JAA PPL when 45 hours is required.
(e) Want to pay circa £6,000 to £10,000 for a JAA PPL course.
(f) Want to spend circa 6 months to 2 years training for their JAA PPL.
(g) Enjoy being frustrated by lack of progress.
(h) Enjoy dealing with CFI’s who have their own interpretation of regulations, which act to further exacerbate the general frustration associated with training in the UK/EU.
The USA is the place to train for a JAA PPL and when you have achieved it you can choose where you fly and when you fly, UK/EU/USA and circumvent all of the above!
Adrian Thompson
President
Ormond Beach Aviation, Inc.
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No, it just means that the JAA-accredited schools in the US will now have to compete with other schools for the custom of JAR-FCL PPL applicants who wish to train outside the JAA.
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I appreciate that this topic had slipped to the bottom of the pile but it has taken me this long to plough through JAR-FCL1 for clarification. I note that LASORS 2005 accepts previous training on an ICAO course but what about incomplete training on a JAR course.
In relation to licence issue, JAR-FCL 1.065 (b) quotes 'in circumstances agreed by both Authorities, an applicant who has commenced training under the responsibility of one Authority may be permitted to complete the requirements under the responsibility of the other Authority'. Can anyone confirm that such reciprocity exists between all, or even some, of the existing JAR Authorities? If not it would appear that one rule exists for ICAO Courses and another for JAR Courses.
In relation to licence issue, JAR-FCL 1.065 (b) quotes 'in circumstances agreed by both Authorities, an applicant who has commenced training under the responsibility of one Authority may be permitted to complete the requirements under the responsibility of the other Authority'. Can anyone confirm that such reciprocity exists between all, or even some, of the existing JAR Authorities? If not it would appear that one rule exists for ICAO Courses and another for JAR Courses.
