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From: Not a million miles from EGTF
examples of people who shouldn't have home addresses easily available might be forces personnel, police officers, teachers, social workers, prison staff, spies or battered wives/husbands. I'm sure the CSA might be very interested in this too.
This isn't necessarily a matter of privacy, but can be a matter of personal safety
We were never asked for the required permission to have this in the public domain, and I guess CAA are in breach of data protection
This isn't necessarily a matter of privacy, but can be a matter of personal safety
We were never asked for the required permission to have this in the public domain, and I guess CAA are in breach of data protection
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From: don't know, I'll ask
Jucky, if the security of your address is so vital to you why did you put it on the registration form anyway. I would have thought you would have everything registered to a "safe" address.
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PPruNaholic!
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This isn't necessarily a matter of privacy, but can be a matter of personal safety
And if it is so critical, then couldn't you use a PO box or a perhaps commercial mail forwarding service such as http://www.mbeuk.com/mailboxtop.htm for example?
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From: Worcestershire, UK
You don't need to know the aircraft reg to search for an owner's address - the database can also be searched on owner's name.
However the CAA aircraft registration application form does contain a warning that owner's addresses will be available in the public domain. By signing the form, you obviously agree to this.
Can't say I was completely happy with this, but signed nevertheless.
In the PFA monthly mag, you often see new projects listed as "name and address withheld". Don't see the point really - the info can easily be obtained from G-INFO.
M9
However the CAA aircraft registration application form does contain a warning that owner's addresses will be available in the public domain. By signing the form, you obviously agree to this.
Can't say I was completely happy with this, but signed nevertheless.
In the PFA monthly mag, you often see new projects listed as "name and address withheld". Don't see the point really - the info can easily be obtained from G-INFO.
M9
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From: Ludlow, England
A mate of mine, who used to park overnight occasionally at Denham, once received a letter from a supposedly aggrieved local who claimed he had been flying low over his house.
It subsequently turned out this character was systematically doing this to any aircraft where he could identify the reg - a typically NIMBY-ish form of harrassment.
The CAA had to threaten him with prosecution because the aircraft he was "complaining" about were quite legitimately taking off and landing. They argued that putting pilots under unecessary additional pressure or causing them to deviate from a normal flight profile could possibly lead to an accident.
Personally, I think the best way would be to have to register a legitimate interest - like you do for the Met Office and AIS web sites.
As things stand there is certainly scope for people to create mischief from G-INFO, if they so desire.
RD
It subsequently turned out this character was systematically doing this to any aircraft where he could identify the reg - a typically NIMBY-ish form of harrassment.
The CAA had to threaten him with prosecution because the aircraft he was "complaining" about were quite legitimately taking off and landing. They argued that putting pilots under unecessary additional pressure or causing them to deviate from a normal flight profile could possibly lead to an accident.
Personally, I think the best way would be to have to register a legitimate interest - like you do for the Met Office and AIS web sites.
As things stand there is certainly scope for people to create mischief from G-INFO, if they so desire.
RD
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From: England
Jucky,
Simple answer to your dilema
Register your plane in the name of a Ltd Co in which you own all the shares.
The co's registered office address could be for example an Accountants Office, that is what would appear on g-info.
You can hide your shareholding and directorship with nominees.
Your company can opperate at break even, so abreviated returns wont cost much.
Will cost but if your anonimity is so important isnt it worth it?
Put it on N reg and it goes into a trust as a matter of course.
Dont you think you should have kept quiet there are probably a hundred nosey bu**ers out there now deperate to asuage their curiosity and find out who you are
Simple answer to your dilema
Register your plane in the name of a Ltd Co in which you own all the shares.
The co's registered office address could be for example an Accountants Office, that is what would appear on g-info.
You can hide your shareholding and directorship with nominees.
Your company can opperate at break even, so abreviated returns wont cost much.
Will cost but if your anonimity is so important isnt it worth it?
Put it on N reg and it goes into a trust as a matter of course.
Dont you think you should have kept quiet there are probably a hundred nosey bu**ers out there now deperate to asuage their curiosity and find out who you are
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From: Norfolk
J
My guess is that anyone who has valid reason to be concerned about identification for security purposes also has the ability to register an aircraft through a trustee or limited company with a nominee account. In fact quite surprised that given such concern you were not advised to do this by those who have created your need to remain secure (or your advisors).
Is it sensible or not?. On balance I think I would prefer not to have my name and address on a public database but I also recognise that anyone who really wants to find my address will do so through a number of different means including Google and other serach engines so I find it difficult to get too hot and bothered about the CAA placing my address on their database.
It does mean that members of the public who don't like me flying over their house might just pay me a visit and persuade me not to do it again but If anyone raneg my local flying club they would no doubt be told who the pilot was anyway and a few questions in the village would soon track me down.
My guess is that anyone who has valid reason to be concerned about identification for security purposes also has the ability to register an aircraft through a trustee or limited company with a nominee account. In fact quite surprised that given such concern you were not advised to do this by those who have created your need to remain secure (or your advisors).
Is it sensible or not?. On balance I think I would prefer not to have my name and address on a public database but I also recognise that anyone who really wants to find my address will do so through a number of different means including Google and other serach engines so I find it difficult to get too hot and bothered about the CAA placing my address on their database.
It does mean that members of the public who don't like me flying over their house might just pay me a visit and persuade me not to do it again but If anyone raneg my local flying club they would no doubt be told who the pilot was anyway and a few questions in the village would soon track me down.
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Aussie Andy - yes indeed, such people can apply for an exemption from the electoral roll and from the requirement to give real addresses on Companies House info.
I think the real hassle about G-INFO is that the CAA won't maintain a separate "correspondence" address. This means that anyone using the accountant's address (as is obvious if using a ltd. co.) will end up hassling his accountant with a load of mail, some from the CAA, some bulk mail from CAA-related mailshots, some letters from people who want to rent your plane, some bills from foreign airports one went to years previously for allegedly unpaid landing fees, and perhaps some NIMBY stuff. Same happens if using a mate's address, or whatever.
Actually one would be amazed just doing a google on one's reg. Thanks to so many people not having a life, the movements of some planes (including N-reg ones, of course) are well logged....
I think the real hassle about G-INFO is that the CAA won't maintain a separate "correspondence" address. This means that anyone using the accountant's address (as is obvious if using a ltd. co.) will end up hassling his accountant with a load of mail, some from the CAA, some bulk mail from CAA-related mailshots, some letters from people who want to rent your plane, some bills from foreign airports one went to years previously for allegedly unpaid landing fees, and perhaps some NIMBY stuff. Same happens if using a mate's address, or whatever.
Actually one would be amazed just doing a google on one's reg. Thanks to so many people not having a life, the movements of some planes (including N-reg ones, of course) are well logged....
Peoples' Champion!
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From: UK
In Switzerland they have a similar system but with people's car registrations - you look up the car reg and you get the owners name and address. Seems 'road-rage' incidents are very low there. . .
I don't have a problem with G-INFO. There is, perhaps, an argument that it should be restricted to registered users (as in the the AIS website or the MET office site) but at the end of the day it's a very useful tool. I can think of more than one incident on these boards where it has been used to great effect in order to contact and have a quiet word with someone who was doing something 'rather silly' rather than go through the official channels. . .
BH
I don't have a problem with G-INFO. There is, perhaps, an argument that it should be restricted to registered users (as in the the AIS website or the MET office site) but at the end of the day it's a very useful tool. I can think of more than one incident on these boards where it has been used to great effect in order to contact and have a quiet word with someone who was doing something 'rather silly' rather than go through the official channels. . .
BH
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I suspect the reason for a lot less road rage in Switzerland might be the ease of obtaining a license for a handgun. Gun possession is very common. There isn't much road rage in the USA, either. An armed society is indeed a polite society.
Not suggesting an argument in favour of blanket handing out of FACs of course
Not suggesting an argument in favour of blanket handing out of FACs of course
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From: London
Just a thought
Have all those objecting to their address being available on G-INFO gone ex-directory? Because if you haven't, you will be horrified to know that the directory listing will include your name and address 
- plus your phone number - and it is available on-line
Aiglon
- plus your phone number - and it is available on-line Aiglon
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From: Canada
There isn't much road rage in the USA, either. An armed society is indeed a polite society.
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Looks like someone in the CAA has been reading the thread ! Have a look at the G-INFO website - some aircraft now do not have the ownership info displayed.
Take for instance G-ANTE - no ownership info shown whilst G-IIII does.
Don't know what criteria has been used, but at a guess perhaps all those that were registered/reregistered before G-INFO was launched aren't now shown ??
Take for instance G-ANTE - no ownership info shown whilst G-IIII does.
Don't know what criteria has been used, but at a guess perhaps all those that were registered/reregistered before G-INFO was launched aren't now shown ??
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From: Burgess Hill, UK
It seems that my address info has disappeared too, although a search of a few other registrations sees some still with the info. I hope this is a temporary problem as I often find this information very useful.
And I cant say Ive had any junk mail or security threats due to my data being available on line! This argument seems to come up every year on various bulletin boards when someone with something to hide suddenly discovers that his information has been available on G-info for years! By the way the Bureau Veritas book is still published and I belive you can subscribe to their service too.
And I cant say Ive had any junk mail or security threats due to my data being available on line! This argument seems to come up every year on various bulletin boards when someone with something to hide suddenly discovers that his information has been available on G-info for years! By the way the Bureau Veritas book is still published and I belive you can subscribe to their service too.
Mess Your Passage
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From: Temporarily Unaware......
Big Hilly,
In your world of smoke mirrors and championing. Surely you have only used g-info in your crusade to annoy people.
F.
We may also like to think about the small minorty of people who take matches to annoying aeroplanes in their locality. Nowadays who is to say they will leave it with just the plane?
In your world of smoke mirrors and championing. Surely you have only used g-info in your crusade to annoy people.
F.
We may also like to think about the small minorty of people who take matches to annoying aeroplanes in their locality. Nowadays who is to say they will leave it with just the plane?