Auster on a permit (Merged)
The Baker brothers have withdrawn their proposal to be the Auster TRA. The CAA are now holding meetings and will be contacting all Auster owners regarding a Permit to Fly. Weee heee 
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Great news guys. Keep us posted on developments regarding this British classic.
I'm presently reading up on the needs of the CAA to deregulate or lessen their regulation in certain areas. My mate Lembit reckons this is the route EASA may go with the main leader being the French.
I'm presently reading up on the needs of the CAA to deregulate or lessen their regulation in certain areas. My mate Lembit reckons this is the route EASA may go with the main leader being the French.
It has been posted on the Auster International website that the CAA have found someone else who is willing to become the TRA for Austers. 
I wonder if these people are aware of what a potential hurricane of paperwork they are about to be on the receiving end of.
I wonder if these people are aware of what a potential hurricane of paperwork they are about to be on the receiving end of.
The AGM was on the 25th June but there is nothing on the website about it that I can find.
I have since found the minutes of the AGM and the only reference to the CofA / Permit debate was this:
The CAA have advised that under Article 9A 1(b) aircraft eligible for a C of A must retain that status if possible. They
are currently holding discussions with parties interested in taking on the Design Responsibility or a Type Responsibility Agreement.
In the event that those discussions fail the aircraft will go onto a permit, either CAA or PFA. The secretary advised that until then, there was in fact nothing on offer from the CAA. Owners were assured that if the Club were offered any say in the matter, the owners would be consulted. It is anticipated that the CAA’s talks will be concluded sooner rather than later. Updates will be posted on the website
I have since found the minutes of the AGM and the only reference to the CofA / Permit debate was this:
The CAA have advised that under Article 9A 1(b) aircraft eligible for a C of A must retain that status if possible. They
are currently holding discussions with parties interested in taking on the Design Responsibility or a Type Responsibility Agreement.
In the event that those discussions fail the aircraft will go onto a permit, either CAA or PFA. The secretary advised that until then, there was in fact nothing on offer from the CAA. Owners were assured that if the Club were offered any say in the matter, the owners would be consulted. It is anticipated that the CAA’s talks will be concluded sooner rather than later. Updates will be posted on the website
Anybody heard anythign regarding the potential change from CofA to PtF? The Auste Club BB is down due to excessive "spamming" and I've heard nothing officially from the CAA. I've just emailed Kevin Russell at the CAA and will let y'all know what his reply is.
I'm about to do the Annual on Annie the Auster so any info would be gratefully received!!!
I'm about to do the Annual on Annie the Auster so any info would be gratefully received!!!
The CAA reckon that there is progress towards setting up a TRA for the Auster family. Ah well, what a missed opportunity to bring Austers to the fore by making them an easily maintainable PFA aeroplane instead of one on a CofA and trying to source original parts made of unobtainium
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According to the LTO I received from the CAA today, they are intending to bring this matter to a conclusion. Therefore if a TRA is not up and running by 1st December 2007, then the Auster will revert to a Permit to Fly managed by the PFA.
After this date no further C of A's will be issued and all current C of A's on expiry will be replaced with a Permit.
On the other hand Mr Cooper will have the TRA in place and it will be situation normal.
After this date no further C of A's will be issued and all current C of A's on expiry will be replaced with a Permit.
On the other hand Mr Cooper will have the TRA in place and it will be situation normal.
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A sad and sorry saga. I ran a Terrier for a couple of years on a C of A - with an 'understanding' engineer. Something that is becoming nearly impossible.
Since the old guard at the Auster Club rejected the permit route I thank my lucky stars that I no longer have the Terrier. My permit aircraft whilst having some aggravations is so easy in comparison.
Hopefully (and meaning no slight to Mr Cooper) they will end up on permits - I'd still like one.......
(but with a modern engine and some easy mods - like brakes....)
I'm sure its pure coincidence that the Auster CLub bulletin board was suspended during this miserable period.
Since the old guard at the Auster Club rejected the permit route I thank my lucky stars that I no longer have the Terrier. My permit aircraft whilst having some aggravations is so easy in comparison.
Hopefully (and meaning no slight to Mr Cooper) they will end up on permits - I'd still like one.......
(but with a modern engine and some easy mods - like brakes....)
I'm sure its pure coincidence that the Auster CLub bulletin board was suspended during this miserable period.
I am really hoping that this will be resolved by going to the PFA administered Permit route. I have also had a letter stating that this will be the case if the current TRA application falls through. The alternative is not a case of "status quo", the engineer I use is retiring due to the prospective pain of operating under EASA. Using local engineers will no longer be possible and we will be forced into using the "big boys" who may of may not have experience of maintaining / inspecting my rag and tube vintage aircraft.
I haven't flown since February as I am currently in the throes of emptying my wallet into the cylinders of my Cirrus Minor II as part of my Annual renewal. I wonder if there will be any summer left by the time I get Annie airworthy again????????
I haven't flown since February as I am currently in the throes of emptying my wallet into the cylinders of my Cirrus Minor II as part of my Annual renewal. I wonder if there will be any summer left by the time I get Annie airworthy again????????
Common Sense Prevails At Last
Apparently the CAA have decided that the Auster fleet will move to the PFA/LAA Permit system. .
I have heard this second hand, from a reliable source, as I have been away from home and thus haven't been able to check my mail.
.I have heard this second hand, from a reliable source, as I have been away from home and thus haven't been able to check my mail.
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Austers on a Permit
I have also heard this, from an unofficial but reliable source.
The CAA letter to owners sent in May last states that if no organisation comes forward to take over the TRA then: "...the CAA would then expect to initiate a programme of replacing the current Certificates of Airworthiness (on expiry) with Permits to Fly". So I presume that we are still some way away from being able to simply switch to a permit.
Are the PFA ready to accept Austers onto Permits, or will they need to gear up for this?
Our Auster is in pieces going through its CofA right now: I guess we will have to complete the CofA renewal and then look forward to going on a permit three years thereafter.
Per ardua ad Auster.
The CAA letter to owners sent in May last states that if no organisation comes forward to take over the TRA then: "...the CAA would then expect to initiate a programme of replacing the current Certificates of Airworthiness (on expiry) with Permits to Fly". So I presume that we are still some way away from being able to simply switch to a permit.
Are the PFA ready to accept Austers onto Permits, or will they need to gear up for this?
Our Auster is in pieces going through its CofA right now: I guess we will have to complete the CofA renewal and then look forward to going on a permit three years thereafter.
Per ardua ad Auster.
J1N it's been confirmed by the Auster Club http://groups.google.com/group/auster-members?hl=en
At last common sense has prevailed!!
I would search out your nearest PFA/LAA inspector and get your aircraft registered as a PFA Project mate. It is going to be far cheaper than a rebuild under the CAA C of A.
At last common sense has prevailed!!
I would search out your nearest PFA/LAA inspector and get your aircraft registered as a PFA Project mate. It is going to be far cheaper than a rebuild under the CAA C of A.
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Yes the deadline was 1st dec for a new type responsbility agreement, which has now passed. Ther announcement is on the Auster Club web site at www.austerclub.org
It would be interesting to have views on those Austers presently being resotred to fly, which doubtless have been collating the paperwork and using approved parts.
The Committee of the International Auster Club confirm that no Type Responsibility Agreement (TRA) has been established for UK Auster series aeroplanes and they will no longer be eligible for Certificates of Airworthiness (C of A).
The CAA are now initiating a programme of transferring UK registered Austers to Permit to Fly and owners will have the option of having their Permit administered either by the Popular Flying Association (PFA) or the CAA.
A Letter to Owners/Operators (LTO) will shortly be published by the CAA outlining initial information on the intended change. Detailed discussions between the CAA and PFA are still ongoing so updates will be provided in due course.
Overseas owners will need to liaise with their national airworthiness authorities to find out what arrangements will apply to them, although it may be some time before the CAA notifies their overseas counterparts of these arrangements.
Please try to refrain from contacting the Committee, the CAA or the PFA for further information as this will only serve to delay the output of information being prepared at this time.
More information will appear on this website as the situation is clarified and it is expected that the LTO will appear on the CAA website, to which there is a link below.
Peter J Gill, Hon Secretary - 4 December 2007
The CAA are now initiating a programme of transferring UK registered Austers to Permit to Fly and owners will have the option of having their Permit administered either by the Popular Flying Association (PFA) or the CAA.
A Letter to Owners/Operators (LTO) will shortly be published by the CAA outlining initial information on the intended change. Detailed discussions between the CAA and PFA are still ongoing so updates will be provided in due course.
Overseas owners will need to liaise with their national airworthiness authorities to find out what arrangements will apply to them, although it may be some time before the CAA notifies their overseas counterparts of these arrangements.
Please try to refrain from contacting the Committee, the CAA or the PFA for further information as this will only serve to delay the output of information being prepared at this time.
More information will appear on this website as the situation is clarified and it is expected that the LTO will appear on the CAA website, to which there is a link below.
Peter J Gill, Hon Secretary - 4 December 2007
It would be interesting to have views on those Austers presently being resotred to fly, which doubtless have been collating the paperwork and using approved parts.
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BR - grateful if you could advise sources of legit approved parts for the Auster. Of course, by approved we mean parts with JAA Form One (for the older bits) or CAA Approved Certificate (for the newer bits manufactured/repaired/ovehauled over the last three years or so).
Mandator approved parts are made of unobtanium which is why going to a PFA/LAA Permit was so necessary. Without it EASA would have ensured that the Auster fleet would have mostly become museum exhibits with a very few remaining airworthy in the hands of lillionaires.