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Hi Flyers
I was sorry to hear the sad news of the death of Newcastle Aero Club after such a long and successfull life. I share your feelings and recognise the need for mourning and will join you in that process.
However we may not be NACT yet!!!!!!!
There is still one last hope of reviving the spirit of NAC pioneers who gave us the airport.
The administrator told me that if funding can be confirmed before contracts are finished The Trust option may still have a chance!!!!
I believe the airport has a charity fund "Reach for the Sky"of £1,000,000 yet to be allocated for 2005. Last year it went to needy children in the north east. This information has not been confirmed yet but if true perhaps some could be allocated to NACT.
The Seven Local Authorities have access to their own funds that could be used for NACT.
As part owners of the airport Local Authorities have the power and may be able to direct these funds in time to save the day.
One North East I think still have a community developement fund which may also be used for that purpose.
Approaches have been made to activate the above but they will need a responsible group through which to act.
The ball is still in your court. I can no longer play alone so
Will you all please pick it up as I
Hope2
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I was sorry to hear the sad news of the death of Newcastle Aero Club after such a long and successfull life. I share your feelings and recognise the need for mourning and will join you in that process.
However we may not be NACT yet!!!!!!!
There is still one last hope of reviving the spirit of NAC pioneers who gave us the airport.
The administrator told me that if funding can be confirmed before contracts are finished The Trust option may still have a chance!!!!
I believe the airport has a charity fund "Reach for the Sky"of £1,000,000 yet to be allocated for 2005. Last year it went to needy children in the north east. This information has not been confirmed yet but if true perhaps some could be allocated to NACT.
The Seven Local Authorities have access to their own funds that could be used for NACT.
As part owners of the airport Local Authorities have the power and may be able to direct these funds in time to save the day.
One North East I think still have a community developement fund which may also be used for that purpose.
Approaches have been made to activate the above but they will need a responsible group through which to act.
The ball is still in your court. I can no longer play alone so
Will you all please pick it up as I
Hope2
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Hi Hope2
If you want anyone on this forum, or otherwise, to join you in your 'quest' (I'll call it a quest, coz I'm not sure what else to call it), then I think you need to cut to the chase and ask us what you need us to do (apart from coughing up £20k each)!
You may be thinking to yourself "If you's don't know now, then you'll never know", but quite frankly, you're posts are pretty meaningless to me - of course, I can't speak for others - but if more direct action is needed, and quickly, then you need to spell it out. If you can't or don't want to do it on this forum, then how about a get together for all those interested in hearing what you have in mind? I even suggested this way back on page 25, but it fell on deaf ears.
We also Hope2...
Sean
If you want anyone on this forum, or otherwise, to join you in your 'quest' (I'll call it a quest, coz I'm not sure what else to call it), then I think you need to cut to the chase and ask us what you need us to do (apart from coughing up £20k each)!
You may be thinking to yourself "If you's don't know now, then you'll never know", but quite frankly, you're posts are pretty meaningless to me - of course, I can't speak for others - but if more direct action is needed, and quickly, then you need to spell it out. If you can't or don't want to do it on this forum, then how about a get together for all those interested in hearing what you have in mind? I even suggested this way back on page 25, but it fell on deaf ears.
We also Hope2...
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hi all
this is about Mr parking did he or did he not say he wanted general aviation at newcastle airport???
IF THIS IS TRUE ABOUT ELIA NOT GETTING THE CLUB THIS IS ONE HELL OF A CRYING SHAME
may the club rest in peace
this is about Mr parking did he or did he not say he wanted general aviation at newcastle airport???
IF THIS IS TRUE ABOUT ELIA NOT GETTING THE CLUB THIS IS ONE HELL OF A CRYING SHAME
may the club rest in peace
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I just wish someone who knows what is happening would say. There are people on here talking like its all over yet wont or haven't yet said what they're on about. Come on people, if you know somthing tell us.
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Yeah I'd like to know as well, can someone post a link or actually provide the info that the club has gone altogether or...? something!
Last link I can find is: http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html
Last link I can find is: http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html
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I believe the airport has a charity fund "Reach for the Sky"of £1,000,000 yet to be allocated for 2005. Last year it went to needy children in the north east. This information has not been confirmed yet but if true perhaps some could be allocated to NACT.
It seems to me that there are two issues for discussion here.
1. The mismanagement of the Aero Club and alleged inpropriety of the people running it.
2. Whether a market exists for a flying school in Newcastle.
I suspect that the Aero Club's current position is as a result of a combination of the two. However, I leave it to more knowledgable posters to assign a ratio.
I can appreciate that you have lost your flying school, and that many of you scrimp and save to enjoy your flying. However, if you are going to attempt to portray yourselves as a 'needy' cause worthy of charitable funding then I'm afraid it won't wash. There are thousands of people in the North East who scrimp and save just to survive from day-to-day. No matter how much you consider that you sacrifice for your flying, the perception (and after all that's all that counts) is that you are better off than many.
As far as I can see, the Masterplan contains an Aeroclub up until 2016 (after which there is no public Masterplan, so we can't comment.) I think that a lot of the anger against the Airport is not deserved; I doubt that there has been any concerted effort to get rid of the Aeroclub. As some others have posted, NAC rarely got in the way (ironically, in comparison to the ATC) and if you look at the Masterplan, much of the Southside development will take place elsewhere, up towards Woolsington Hall.
Now, as to the 'viability' of a flying school in Newcastle. The North East is the most deprived region of England, and therefore the average incomes are the lowest. Consequently, there is a limited demand for a flying school. Now, conversely, Newcastle Airport can be considered a 'premium' facility...it's got a long runway, good ATC, quiet airspace and it's close to the city centre. So from the market point of view, use of the airfield could be construed as attracting a 'premium' price. Ironically, some of these features make it attractive to Easyjet, who have a training allowance as part of their package at EGNT.
So, you have a low demand, low incomes and a premium facility. It seems that the business case for the Aero Club independent of whether you do or do not have NIAL support is shaky at best. Again, you cannot compare flying schools at other major airfields because the North East is a uniquely poor region.
Personally, I thought that Elia's bid was the most likely to succeed. Believe it or not, I've run into him previously and was impressed with his drive, determination and awareness of 'the big picture'. I'd be interested in hearing why his bid was apparently unsuccessful.
Oh and a fly-away suggestion: has anyone looked into getting the Aero Club building listed? Surely it has historical value.....and they'd never be able to knock it down!
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Hi All
I have just had a phone call from an ex employee of the club and I will allege that the paperwork was signed this morning to Samson .
He is a reliable source.
So much for RMT at the meeting saying they would love to see the club continue !
How much is their percentage of the £200,000 plus cost ?
Bahrain lad :
I think you will find the building is listed as Grade 2 and cant be demolished.
Your post makes a lot of sense.
Regards All
I have just had a phone call from an ex employee of the club and I will allege that the paperwork was signed this morning to Samson .
He is a reliable source.
So much for RMT at the meeting saying they would love to see the club continue !
How much is their percentage of the £200,000 plus cost ?
Bahrain lad :
I think you will find the building is listed as Grade 2 and cant be demolished.
Your post makes a lot of sense.
Regards All
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BahrainLad: I agree with everything you say, theres not much I can think of as an argument!
You mention Elia being unsuccesful, however who says this? Its about time we found out for certain. In my opinion we need an answer, and we deserve one.
WK
You mention Elia being unsuccesful, however who says this? Its about time we found out for certain. In my opinion we need an answer, and we deserve one.
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I think you will find the building is listed as Grade 2 and cant be demolished.
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I think you will find the building is listed as Grade 2 and cant be demolished.
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The plot thickens,but I think unfotunately we have to bear the bad tidings, Unless Mr Ballinger has a kind nature ?
Maybe not, We will have to wait for the official confimation and it will probably be very soon.
Regards one and all
Maybe not, We will have to wait for the official confimation and it will probably be very soon.
Regards one and all
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Hi Flyers,
This is your last hope or last chance to choose to help.
Select a small action group who can speak for you.
If and it is now a very big if the local authorities are willing to intervene they need someone or a group to deal with.
Individuals phone your local council. Ask for the cabinet councilor responsible for liasing with Newcastle Airport. Ask them to look at situation and for their support for NACT proposal.
The seven local authorities are part owners employees are accountable to them for implementing policies.
It is now an extreemly long shot at even worse odds but still just posible.
Sean377; thank you please see private messages urgently
Hope 2
This is your last hope or last chance to choose to help.
Select a small action group who can speak for you.
If and it is now a very big if the local authorities are willing to intervene they need someone or a group to deal with.
Individuals phone your local council. Ask for the cabinet councilor responsible for liasing with Newcastle Airport. Ask them to look at situation and for their support for NACT proposal.
The seven local authorities are part owners employees are accountable to them for implementing policies.
It is now an extreemly long shot at even worse odds but still just posible.
Sean377; thank you please see private messages urgently
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I have been watching this sad tale with interest and there are lessons for all of us who are members of not for profit clubs to learn.
Do attend your club AGM.
Question the auditors again and again if you are not happy with the way you think things should be run financially.
Check the monthly debtors/creditors
Dont start pointing fingers after the event, get stuck in.
Dont just pay your subs do bugger all and when it goes tits up
whinge,its just as much your fault for your prior apathy.
Do your sums earlier.
Being just a simple chap £200K debt approx 500 members =£400 per member loan/donation/additional sub = No debt= Solvent club and no administration.
Not everyone would want to contribute £400 but proper diligence would have noticed things going pearshaped long ago and a much lower levy could have been raised.
A hard lesson but it seems to me the members failed themselves.
Do attend your club AGM.
Question the auditors again and again if you are not happy with the way you think things should be run financially.
Check the monthly debtors/creditors
Dont start pointing fingers after the event, get stuck in.
Dont just pay your subs do bugger all and when it goes tits up
whinge,its just as much your fault for your prior apathy.
Do your sums earlier.
Being just a simple chap £200K debt approx 500 members =£400 per member loan/donation/additional sub = No debt= Solvent club and no administration.
Not everyone would want to contribute £400 but proper diligence would have noticed things going pearshaped long ago and a much lower levy could have been raised.
A hard lesson but it seems to me the members failed themselves.
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Hi all,
Hope2 - Money taken away from needy children and other good causes, I certainly wouldn't like that to happen, even if it is the airports money and would save our club. I have done work for some of the north east's needy causes in the past and in my view they need every penny they get.
Noise - your right, what is this "Masterplan"?
I've just had a look through this document and in my opinion (I may be wrong so correct me if you wish, after all I'm just a daft sparkie), all it is, is some possible statistics on future traffic, alongside some 'bumpff' about the airports commitment to the local environment, and a bit more 'bumpff' on how future development of the place may help local industry (which will help or has helped get the council on their side when making any planning applications and could also be used to try and calm any public objection to any new develpoments) and then more 'bumpff' on the type of 'possible' developments that could take place on site (which could be used to attract more hotel developers/car hire companies etc etc into setting up there). I noted many uses of the words 'could' and 'may' throughout the entire document.
BahrainLad
Not necessarily mate, I'm not implying anything unseemingly of the airport here and I am just using this as an example but just because the building the club occupied was untouchable doesn't mean they couldn't touch the club. The building is listed, not the club. Like it has been said in previous posts by others, it may become a corporate doss house or and office of some sort, it doesn't necessarily need to be knocked down to fit in with any redevelopment, but as Centrefix said with it recently being downgraded, it may well have a visit from the bulldozers sooner rather than never.
Cant disagree with your previous post though.
cagivawally
This was already tried mate, although (again people, correct me if i'm wrong) the letter sent to us last year stated debts of 'around 100K' meaning 200 pounds per member.
We were asked for more if we could afford it and anything if we couldn't afford the 200. I'm not sure of the numbers of people who paid or how much was raised but all who did lost their money.
Good night all,
Big Steve
PS. Better press that submit button soon or i'll be changing that to 'good morning'
Hope2 - Money taken away from needy children and other good causes, I certainly wouldn't like that to happen, even if it is the airports money and would save our club. I have done work for some of the north east's needy causes in the past and in my view they need every penny they get.
Noise - your right, what is this "Masterplan"?
I've just had a look through this document and in my opinion (I may be wrong so correct me if you wish, after all I'm just a daft sparkie), all it is, is some possible statistics on future traffic, alongside some 'bumpff' about the airports commitment to the local environment, and a bit more 'bumpff' on how future development of the place may help local industry (which will help or has helped get the council on their side when making any planning applications and could also be used to try and calm any public objection to any new develpoments) and then more 'bumpff' on the type of 'possible' developments that could take place on site (which could be used to attract more hotel developers/car hire companies etc etc into setting up there). I noted many uses of the words 'could' and 'may' throughout the entire document.
BahrainLad
So, previous posters who stated that "the Masterplan shows no future for the Aeroclub" can be accused of scare-mongering?
Cant disagree with your previous post though.
cagivawally
Being just a simple chap £200K debt approx 500 members =£400 per member loan/donation/additional sub = No debt= Solvent club and no administration.
We were asked for more if we could afford it and anything if we couldn't afford the 200. I'm not sure of the numbers of people who paid or how much was raised but all who did lost their money.
Good night all,
Big Steve
PS. Better press that submit button soon or i'll be changing that to 'good morning'
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The only person who sat back and did nothing was the then chairman .
He did nothing to help the club in its hour of need and resigned
when the crap hit the fan
People did donate and bought shares at the meeting,it did no good the rot had already set in,
The people who owe N A E for work done are clapping their hands
and one prominent member had the audacity to stand up and say he had not payed for an engine to be fitted as no invoice's had been sent out for a long period.
Please do not tell us we did nothing,the committee blocked all attempts to bring the club forward and made a total bo**ocks of things not the members
Finally.
To the person who said "is there a need for a flying school in this area " Of course there is, NAC died owing £200,000. How many people flew to make up that amount of debt ?
Think about it, no need to reply.
Regards All
He did nothing to help the club in its hour of need and resigned
when the crap hit the fan
People did donate and bought shares at the meeting,it did no good the rot had already set in,
The people who owe N A E for work done are clapping their hands
and one prominent member had the audacity to stand up and say he had not payed for an engine to be fitted as no invoice's had been sent out for a long period.
Please do not tell us we did nothing,the committee blocked all attempts to bring the club forward and made a total bo**ocks of things not the members
Finally.
To the person who said "is there a need for a flying school in this area " Of course there is, NAC died owing £200,000. How many people flew to make up that amount of debt ?
Think about it, no need to reply.
Regards All
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Thanks for the heads up h999.
If I was to hazard a guess i'd guess its Samson. I'm not holding my breath on a good outcome, just by the sheer mention of possibly "leasing" the area out worries me as to what the grand idea may be, in that its to expand their operations rather than an FTO.
Watching and waiting...
WK
If I was to hazard a guess i'd guess its Samson. I'm not holding my breath on a good outcome, just by the sheer mention of possibly "leasing" the area out worries me as to what the grand idea may be, in that its to expand their operations rather than an FTO.
Watching and waiting...
WK