Sheepskin Jackets
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Sheepskin Jackets
I would like to buy a sheepskin flying jacket. Not to wear with my helmet and grow bag when I fly a Cessna, but to wear when I'm Thrustering. Yes, I've tried wearing various combinations of jackets and jumpers, but I still get cold. After the last adventure Genghis and I had, when I was almost frozen solid and he was sickeningly cheery, I decided enough was enough... I'm going to invest in a proper jacket.
No, I'm not going to use it to pose around the airfield. Not that there's anyone much to pose to where the Thruster is based. And no, I won't be sewing on various cloth badges.
So... does anyone have any recommendations? The search facility leads to lots of people suggesting Aviation Leathercraft, but there must be alternatives. My main problem is I may need it custom-made or adjusted. I have a relatively short back and long arms. No comments about Orangutans please!
Please don't let this turn into another 'outfit-bashing' thread.
No, I'm not going to use it to pose around the airfield. Not that there's anyone much to pose to where the Thruster is based. And no, I won't be sewing on various cloth badges.
So... does anyone have any recommendations? The search facility leads to lots of people suggesting Aviation Leathercraft, but there must be alternatives. My main problem is I may need it custom-made or adjusted. I have a relatively short back and long arms. No comments about Orangutans please!
Please don't let this turn into another 'outfit-bashing' thread.
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I had one of the 'Irvine/Irving'? style jackets a few years ago. It was so good, I couldn't wear it unless it was minus five outside!! I ended up selling it and buying a less toastie leather.
I'm not going to suggest you shouldn't buy one - and hope you get some good suggestions, but as an aside there are a couple of things that you can buy in a motorbike shop that will make a big difference.
The first is a really good pair of gloves - I use a pair designed (I was told) for moped riders, which lack the (irritating) kevlar armour that you get on many motorcycle gloves, but are still extremely warm and (just) thin enough to operate switches. These can be supplemented with a pair of silk inner gloves from the same source.
The other is a thin balaclava designed to go inside your helmet - your head is the single biggest source of heat-loss and this makes a huge difference.
But, Irvin jackets are wonderful things, and I'd not be without mine! There are various patterns available - some more authentic than others. I would recommend getting one with a reasonable flap across the front to avoid drafts, and a strap and buckle (there are usually two) across the collar so that you can have that up around your chin - otherwise the cold drafts around your neck are horrible in some open cockpits.
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The first is a really good pair of gloves - I use a pair designed (I was told) for moped riders, which lack the (irritating) kevlar armour that you get on many motorcycle gloves, but are still extremely warm and (just) thin enough to operate switches. These can be supplemented with a pair of silk inner gloves from the same source.
The other is a thin balaclava designed to go inside your helmet - your head is the single biggest source of heat-loss and this makes a huge difference.
But, Irvin jackets are wonderful things, and I'd not be without mine! There are various patterns available - some more authentic than others. I would recommend getting one with a reasonable flap across the front to avoid drafts, and a strap and buckle (there are usually two) across the collar so that you can have that up around your chin - otherwise the cold drafts around your neck are horrible in some open cockpits.
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Genghis - Thanks for that. I have been looking around for a reasonable balaclava. It might help my helmet chin-strap fit better too... I've got some Polartec 100 gloves which fit nicely under my windproof ones - next time I fly, I'll try that combination.
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No, I'm not going to use it to pose around the airfield
But seriously, I'm quite surprised that the hang gliding/microlight community haven't solved this problem with some sort of padded windproof overall maybe?
If you get a sheepskin jacket, don't you think there';s a chance that your bottom half will get cold?
I bought a padded sweatshirt for birding and that worn under a Barbour was excellent, totally windproof and very warm.
PS Theres's no chance that you could get mistaked for an Arboreal Bornean Primate, your hair is the wrong colour. But a Gorilla, now thats far more likely.
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Koli - Are you suggesting that we can improve on nature? 
The microlighting community has come up with an interesting solution - a range of heated clothing which plugs into a lighter socket. It's still not cheap though, and how many aircraft have such a socket? As for the lower half, I tend not to get so cold there - I have some winter walking gear which has been fine so far.
As for comments about gorillas... did you want to get onto the airfield ever again?
The microlighting community has come up with an interesting solution - a range of heated clothing which plugs into a lighter socket. It's still not cheap though, and how many aircraft have such a socket? As for the lower half, I tend not to get so cold there - I have some winter walking gear which has been fine so far.As for comments about gorillas... did you want to get onto the airfield ever again?
Actually they have, most commonly referred to by the most common brand name of "Ozee".
http://www.ozee.co.uk/
They are however still a lot of money, and totally impractical for wearing outside a cockpit. Does save taking a sleeping bag with you though.
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http://www.ozee.co.uk/
They are however still a lot of money, and totally impractical for wearing outside a cockpit. Does save taking a sleeping bag with you though.
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repair of jackets
Sorry to move off topic a little.
I have a trusty old leather flying jacket that I would hate to give up, but the quilted lining is now falling apart. Has anybody got any ideas of somewhere that could repair it?
Thanks
Skua
I have a trusty old leather flying jacket that I would hate to give up, but the quilted lining is now falling apart. Has anybody got any ideas of somewhere that could repair it?
Thanks
Skua
A-B,take a walk around the market tomorrow, and I`m sure you`ll find a stall selling one-piece/two-piece ski-suits , or similar motor cycling gear.Then there`s the silk` long-johns` and thermal vest to consider !!!!
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Kolibear
Is that a threat? 
Sycamore - I'm pleasantly surprised, I was expecting something much more tongue-in-cheek from you.
And how is your car?
Sycamore - I'm pleasantly surprised, I was expecting something much more tongue-in-cheek from you.
A-B
I thought `fuchsia-pink` actually, to match the colour of your cheeks on a cold and frosty morn..!!!!!!!!
I thought `fuchsia-pink` actually, to match the colour of your cheeks on a cold and frosty morn..!!!!!!!!
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AB, a useful source for silk balaclavas, gloves and glove liners is www.patra.com. I've used their gloves for years, but looking at the balaclava model, I've just noticed a slight potential problem, or maybe it's the way he wears it...
Cheap, too!
Happy flying
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Cheap, too!
Happy flying
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Hi Aerbabe, The simplest solution, in all but the very coldest weather, is to wear extra layers underneath your flying suit. The only things you then need to worry about are those that Genghis has already pointed out; gloves and something around your neck.
I fly Tiger Moths (up to 14 flights a day) and I find an Irvin too cumbersome, but others swear by them. We have to wear helmets (company rule) so my uncarpeted head doesn't normally suffer. If its raining, I put an old waxed jacket on over the top of my flying suit. I find my jaw gets the coldest, with the result that on a really cold day my speech gradually declines until it sounds as if I've had an injection at the dentist.
Tricks:
1. Tuck the first pair of trousers into your socks - stops drafts.
2. Wrap newspapers round your lower legs under first pair of trousers. (only needed on very coldest days)
3. Don't go into a warm room during the day until your flying is completed.
4. Be happy in your work.
I fly Tiger Moths (up to 14 flights a day) and I find an Irvin too cumbersome, but others swear by them. We have to wear helmets (company rule) so my uncarpeted head doesn't normally suffer. If its raining, I put an old waxed jacket on over the top of my flying suit. I find my jaw gets the coldest, with the result that on a really cold day my speech gradually declines until it sounds as if I've had an injection at the dentist.
Tricks:
1. Tuck the first pair of trousers into your socks - stops drafts.
2. Wrap newspapers round your lower legs under first pair of trousers. (only needed on very coldest days)
3. Don't go into a warm room during the day until your flying is completed.
4. Be happy in your work.
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I had one of the 'Irvine/Irving'? style jackets a few years ago. It was so good, I couldn't wear it unless it was minus five outside!! I ended up selling it and buying a less toastie leather.
If you get a sheepskin jacket, don't you think there';s a chance that your bottom half will get cold?
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Skua - I did see someone advertising in one of the pilot catalogues, yes - try Transair, AFE, The Flying Shop, Pilot Warehouse et al. Come to think of it though, it could have been Sporty's (US only...)
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Might be worth looking at thermals for skiing. I've got some (Lowe Alpine I think) that keep me pretty warm stuck on a lift in a howling gale at 10,000ft, so are probably ideal for microlighting