Flicks Rolls - Oh Joy!
The Airtourer is one type which doesn't flick consistently well, in my opinion, very easy for it to stop autorotating part way through and lose a lot of height.
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I'm somewhere near the stall at the top of a loop, typical entry speed 160 mph and 4 G pull. That gives me a pretty big loop and I've started to tighten them up with a lower entry speed and not easing back pressure quite so early approaching the apex. Speed at top is in the same region, though. I know this from early days because my first attempts at loops ended up teaching me more about torque rolls than loops. In fact, I one time sat through a lovely gentle torque roll that the airplane did all by itself!
So, back to the flick roll issue, you're likely to be way below 105mph at the top of the loop and with very low energy but lots of drag from the flick. I believe it's extra speed at the entry (unloading and throttle setting being equal) that will give you more rolls, but I may be wrong on that.
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I'm somewhere near the stall at the top of a loop, typical entry speed 160 mph and 4 G pull. That gives me a pretty big loop and I've started to tighten them up with a lower entry speed and not easing back pressure quite so early approaching the apex. Speed at top is in the same region, though. I know this from early days because my first attempts at loops ended up teaching me more about torque rolls than loops. In fact, I one time sat through a lovely gentle torque roll that the airplane did all by itself!
So, back to the flick roll issue, you're likely to be way below 105mph at the top of the loop and with very low energy but lots of drag from the flick. I believe it's extra speed at the entry (unloading and throttle setting being equal) that will give you more rolls, but I may be wrong on that.
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The only time I have stalled out recently was when you and I weer playing a couple of months ago - I put that down to not concentrating 100% on the maneouver and being distracted by your proximity - formation line abreast loops.
I intend to fly tomorrow sometime so will go and loop and see how sensitive she is at the top - perhaps try to slow roll inv to inv and see how low an entry speed I can do it with.
No banter - but do be aware that our aeroplanes are subtly different - your prop is far coarser (as is your language) and your wing gives less drag erect but will require additional fwd stick inverted. Oh yes and it looks like a Dulux Ad from the 50's. Magnolia, that will look loveley, my dear!
Stik
The only time I have stalled out recently was when you and I weer playing a couple of months ago - I put that down to not concentrating 100% on the maneouver and being distracted by your proximity - formation line abreast loops.
I intend to fly tomorrow sometime so will go and loop and see how sensitive she is at the top - perhaps try to slow roll inv to inv and see how low an entry speed I can do it with.
No banter - but do be aware that our aeroplanes are subtly different - your prop is far coarser (as is your language) and your wing gives less drag erect but will require additional fwd stick inverted. Oh yes and it looks like a Dulux Ad from the 50's. Magnolia, that will look loveley, my dear!
Stik
Grandpa Aerotart
Those guys with Pitts Specials have you seen the article in Australian Aviation on the Zuraxxx Cartwheel in the latest model Pitts?
Stall turn with 540 degres of rotation...sounds well cool!!!!
Is it possible in earlier, less powerfull, models?
Is it purely a horse power issue or do the various aerodynamic refinements make the difference?
Been a long while since I did serious aeros...have to get back into it one day...maybe one of these days I'll sell the Bonanza and by a Pitts
What I'm currently working on is a 'routine' in the 767 Sim at the end of each 6 monthly recurrent. The aileron roll down the runway starting at 50 feet is easy but the pull up, steep turn right, Derry roll and flight idle gliding 270 while configuring needs some work Overshot the centerline last time a got into some interesting pitch coupling with full flap/full speedbrake while steep turning left then right to regain at a few hundred feet...cartwheeled in
I'll give myself some more room next time...that'll get it sorted
The 767's roll rate at 330kIAS is bordering on spirited...lotsa fun
Couple of the Checkies recently pulled the wings off after a stall turn...thank god it's just a sim
Chuckles
Stall turn with 540 degres of rotation...sounds well cool!!!!
Is it possible in earlier, less powerfull, models?
Is it purely a horse power issue or do the various aerodynamic refinements make the difference?
Been a long while since I did serious aeros...have to get back into it one day...maybe one of these days I'll sell the Bonanza and by a Pitts
What I'm currently working on is a 'routine' in the 767 Sim at the end of each 6 monthly recurrent. The aileron roll down the runway starting at 50 feet is easy but the pull up, steep turn right, Derry roll and flight idle gliding 270 while configuring needs some work
Overshot the centerline last time a got into some interesting pitch coupling with full flap/full speedbrake while steep turning left then right to regain at a few hundred feet...cartwheeled in I'll give myself some more room next time...that'll get it sorted
The 767's roll rate at 330kIAS is bordering on spirited...lotsa fun
Couple of the Checkies recently pulled the wings off after a stall turn...thank god it's just a sim
Chuckles
Stall turn with 540 degres of rotation
The rotation is not in the vertical plane at all, but still a neat manoeuvre.
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Aerobatics aren't to be understood so much as experienced! Get out there with a competent instructor and have a couple of goes. It's amazing how quickly you begin to understand the maneuvers and how to retain your orientation when you try it!
But be careful! Unusual attitudes and aerobatics can become highly addictive. Once you've tried it, you may never be satisfied with straight and level again!!
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Aerobatics aren't to be understood so much as experienced! Get out there with a competent instructor and have a couple of goes. It's amazing how quickly you begin to understand the maneuvers and how to retain your orientation when you try it!
But be careful! Unusual attitudes and aerobatics can become highly addictive. Once you've tried it, you may never be satisfied with straight and level again!!
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