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Yorks :when learning, it's S**t here we go again !
Well done Mazzy on your 2:1, Just ace your GFT....
Flew to Fife yesterday,nice people. V busy circuit !!!!!!
but lots of fun.
Enjoy your flying.
JW if you work on the Silverlink pm me.
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Well done Mazzy on your 2:1, Just ace your GFT....
Flew to Fife yesterday,nice people. V busy circuit !!!!!!
but lots of fun.
Enjoy your flying.
JW if you work on the Silverlink pm me.
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Hi all.
Yorks.ppl - thanks for that, I think I remeber now! Brakes. Under carriage. Mixture (also have a look around the engine instuments, inc. carb.) And security (harnesses, loose objects, doors etc). So I think thats it.
Cheers all.
JW.
Yorks.ppl - thanks for that, I think I remeber now! Brakes. Under carriage. Mixture (also have a look around the engine instuments, inc. carb.) And security (harnesses, loose objects, doors etc). So I think thats it.
Cheers all.
JW.
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Really good to see such good progress being made, and well done to those who are receiving their ticket! I am so jealous!
I too was taught the BUMFPICHLLC (with the added P for propeller pitch and C for clearance, also H for hatches and harnesses).
In a wing drop, one of the wings will stall before the other, usually as a result of some unwanted yaw, or the aircraft being flown out of balance - and believe me you will know when you have one! Be careful not to use opposite aileron though, this can make it worse - keep the wheel straight and use opposite rudder - putting the nose down of course to unstall the wings. Great fun.
I have never done stalls in the climb (with power) - I was told that it is dangerous and that the nose attitude is grossly high (it was demonstrated briefly but we never reached a stall)??
Squeak - when you next down?
Thanks all
Lee
I too was taught the BUMFPICHLLC (with the added P for propeller pitch and C for clearance, also H for hatches and harnesses).
In a wing drop, one of the wings will stall before the other, usually as a result of some unwanted yaw, or the aircraft being flown out of balance - and believe me you will know when you have one! Be careful not to use opposite aileron though, this can make it worse - keep the wheel straight and use opposite rudder - putting the nose down of course to unstall the wings. Great fun.
I have never done stalls in the climb (with power) - I was told that it is dangerous and that the nose attitude is grossly high (it was demonstrated briefly but we never reached a stall)??
Squeak - when you next down?
Thanks all
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Lee - With the stalls in climbs I should have made myself clearler. I wasn't to let the full stall develop. On the buzzer I had to recover. Forgot to mention that before. Not quite the same as letting the full stall develop, but you get the feel of it! Had a couple of goes myself, was quite good fun.
As for the wing drop - hopefully can be shown one of them the lesson after next, sounds good. I have to remember not to use the alierons to balance it though. On my first attempts to recover I always used them, natural I suppose. I managed to stick to the rudder last lesson though! It must be very hard in a real situation, if you happen to stall and lose height, to push forward when the instant, human reaction would be to pull up. I've heard of a few times when that has occured...scary, especially on finals!
Anyway thanks. Better do some work now saying as I am in school!
Cheers,
JW.
As for the wing drop - hopefully can be shown one of them the lesson after next, sounds good. I have to remember not to use the alierons to balance it though. On my first attempts to recover I always used them, natural I suppose. I managed to stick to the rudder last lesson though! It must be very hard in a real situation, if you happen to stall and lose height, to push forward when the instant, human reaction would be to pull up. I've heard of a few times when that has occured...scary, especially on finals!
Anyway thanks. Better do some work now saying as I am in school!
Cheers,
JW.
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Hi mazzy, Lesson 3 booked, Friday 1330. It's great to hear all you guys getting your licences, congrats. Can't wait to crack on, just reading Flying Training Ex1-5, How are you getting on mazzy?
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5 down, 2 to go!
Passed the Nav exam today (85%), just leaves Performance and Planning, and Aircraft technical. Flying tomorrow, doing VOR/NDB/DME work for the first time, which will make a nice change.
Cheers all (got us back on page one as well!!)
Mike.
Cheers all (got us back on page one as well!!)
Mike.
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Good stuff cheq - Nav is a good one to get done. I am yet to do Nav and planning - left the Nav till the end, so I could do most of the navigation in the air first. Aircraft tech is quite catchy - with 50 questions on the exam, but no problem at all if you read up enough!
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Well done on the nav, cheq!
Couldn't believe it today. Lesson cancelled due to weather - there was cloud at 600 ft. We were meant to do circuits today, so I was rather gutted! Had the brief anyway so we can get flying straight away next time. Got the air law book as well today, so lots of leaning to do! This section of the theory seems so dull!
Anyway, cheers all,
JW.
Couldn't believe it today. Lesson cancelled due to weather - there was cloud at 600 ft. We were meant to do circuits today, so I was rather gutted! Had the brief anyway so we can get flying straight away next time. Got the air law book as well today, so lots of leaning to do! This section of the theory seems so dull!
Anyway, cheers all,
JW.
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I would not wish to dampen anyone's enthusiam. Have you done a weight and balance calculation? My recollection is that with you and even a very light instructor you will barely have enough fuel for a circuit.
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I can assure you that my instructor and I can complete many circuits with plenty of fuel. Considering the circuit only takes 20 minutes or so, I'm pretty sure we'd manage!
(PS - If I'm completely missing something in the last post, let me know! Don't worry about embarrassing me!)
JW.
(PS - If I'm completely missing something in the last post, let me know! Don't worry about embarrassing me!)
JW.
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Think I have missed something there too 
Well, I landed a full time job and I have started today (I shouldn't be in here!) - so I will be back in the air very soon! Apologies for the lack of diary entries (on my behalf anyway) of recent, soon that will change!
Thanks,
Lee
Well, I landed a full time job and I have started today (I shouldn't be in here!) - so I will be back in the air very soon! Apologies for the lack of diary entries (on my behalf anyway) of recent, soon that will change!
Thanks,
Lee
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I have just decided that I am gonna book a week off work sometime in August, to try and get as much flying done as poss, not only because it is still summer, but it would mean me changing instructors if I were to go back to weekends. Roll on August payday 
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I am gonna book a week off work sometime in August
that weather bogeyman just wouldn't leave me alone, dammit!!! Unfortunately that's what you've gotta do when you're juggling work and uni and flying all at the same time...
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I know it's crazy eh - well uni is all done now, so it is simply a case of waiting for the first pay packet - I will just have to take a chance that the weather will be ok, even though it probably wont 
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Crosswinds and vortex...
Hi all, a few weeks since I've been in the air and posted here. Back in the PA28 yesterday for circuits.
All going fine with the instructor then I was let out on my own. First one was fine, but on the second touch and go there was a crosswind on the narrow (for me) runway at Sandtoft. I landed and used rudder for alignment, I had over aligned, so corrected in the other direction, but overcompensated. At the same time applying full power for a touch and go, by now weaving all over the place and heading for what looked like the edge of the tarmac at the wrong angle. Quick decision time - stay or go? Brakes or power? Within a second I was aloft and so elected to continue. But my heart was going crazy - by far the most hair raising time I'd had at the controls. But I knew the only way to get over it was to continue and to focus. So I completed a few more T&Gs all quite acceptable and the occasional greaser. Stopped to pick up the instructor then back to Leeds.
At Leeds were orbited a couple of times before following a Ryanair B737. Six minutes clearance we were told so we greatly extended the downwind. A rare opportunity to fly over Leeds and I'm looking for the few and far between forced landing green spaces. Turned base and then final, probably about 4nm out. All going smoothly. Then horror of horrors the aircraft just dropped out of the sky and lurched to the right. Without even bothering with the 'I have control' handover the instructor took over, pitched down, kicked left rudder and left aileron. We were righted straight away, but I didn't understand: we were nowhere near stall speed, there had been no stall warning. It would appear that the vortex wake from the B737 was still present, even though we had given a full six minutes or more clearance. That was one of those great learning opportunities that you can read all about in the books but until it happens...
Mazzy - did you get much experience of that at Liverpool with the B737s flying out of there all the time?
All going fine with the instructor then I was let out on my own. First one was fine, but on the second touch and go there was a crosswind on the narrow (for me) runway at Sandtoft. I landed and used rudder for alignment, I had over aligned, so corrected in the other direction, but overcompensated. At the same time applying full power for a touch and go, by now weaving all over the place and heading for what looked like the edge of the tarmac at the wrong angle. Quick decision time - stay or go? Brakes or power? Within a second I was aloft and so elected to continue. But my heart was going crazy - by far the most hair raising time I'd had at the controls. But I knew the only way to get over it was to continue and to focus. So I completed a few more T&Gs all quite acceptable and the occasional greaser. Stopped to pick up the instructor then back to Leeds.
At Leeds were orbited a couple of times before following a Ryanair B737. Six minutes clearance we were told so we greatly extended the downwind. A rare opportunity to fly over Leeds and I'm looking for the few and far between forced landing green spaces. Turned base and then final, probably about 4nm out. All going smoothly. Then horror of horrors the aircraft just dropped out of the sky and lurched to the right. Without even bothering with the 'I have control' handover the instructor took over, pitched down, kicked left rudder and left aileron. We were righted straight away, but I didn't understand: we were nowhere near stall speed, there had been no stall warning. It would appear that the vortex wake from the B737 was still present, even though we had given a full six minutes or more clearance. That was one of those great learning opportunities that you can read all about in the books but until it happens...
Mazzy - did you get much experience of that at Liverpool with the B737s flying out of there all the time?
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I've flown around jets lots, having learnt at edinburgh. One things that I always made sure was to avoid where the a/c had been. airliners generally have quite a shallow approach so I would always fly higher and then come down steeply, if it is a very tight then I will aim to land past the airliners touchdown point (the point the vortexs stop) and roll to the next exit.
Luckily I've never had an encounter like you had. I'm glad it was all sorted. I bet you'll be more careful next time
Imo its the best way to learn those kind of lessons, not that you did anything wrong.
Luckily I've never had an encounter like you had. I'm glad it was all sorted. I bet you'll be more careful next time
Imo its the best way to learn those kind of lessons, not that you did anything wrong.
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Data - sounds like you are taking on board some valuable lessons indeed. I too have had lots of experience flying around the 'big boys' but never actually felt any vortex - always allow plenty of time, and like Blinkz mentioned, try and stay above the approach of the aircraft in front, and land after their touchdown point - obviously only when practically possible.
I reckon I can be in the air by next weekend for a low level route flight - I will keep my fingers crossed.
I saw the first fallen conker today on the way to work - a bad sign that the wind and rain of autumn is on the way
Regards,
Lee
I reckon I can be in the air by next weekend for a low level route flight - I will keep my fingers crossed.
I saw the first fallen conker today on the way to work - a bad sign that the wind and rain of autumn is on the way
Regards,
Lee
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Ever had a day when you just forgot how to land???
ARRGGHH!!!
Went up to do a few dual circuits yesterday as part of a check-out at a new flying school on a somewhat closer-to-home airport... had a shocker... just couldn't land an aeroplane. Dunno why, was all over the shop - flaring too late, flying finals too fast, then too slow, then... no idea what was going on. I was using a runway I haven't used before that is somewhat narrower than what I've been used to -not looking for excuses here (I concede the problem was all me - I just had 'one of those days'!!) but I have a feeing the lack of width in the runway was mucking around with my mental image/perspective of what it should look like... so I thought I was higher than I was. Bugger...
Went back today and came out of it feeling a bit better, had a few 'passable' landings (one was even 'good'!!
) but a few shockers as well, so I've scheduled one more session for next week to sort everything out (the key word is 'consistency' here!) before they let me loose...
Guess I just had a BAD day yesterday!!
Went up to do a few dual circuits yesterday as part of a check-out at a new flying school on a somewhat closer-to-home airport... had a shocker... just couldn't land an aeroplane. Dunno why, was all over the shop - flaring too late, flying finals too fast, then too slow, then... no idea what was going on. I was using a runway I haven't used before that is somewhat narrower than what I've been used to -not looking for excuses here (I concede the problem was all me - I just had 'one of those days'!!) but I have a feeing the lack of width in the runway was mucking around with my mental image/perspective of what it should look like... so I thought I was higher than I was. Bugger...
Went back today and came out of it feeling a bit better, had a few 'passable' landings (one was even 'good'!!
) but a few shockers as well, so I've scheduled one more session for next week to sort everything out (the key word is 'consistency' here!) before they let me loose... Guess I just had a BAD day yesterday!!
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We all have them days kook 
The good thing is, that you have booked another circuit sesh to overcome this, I bet your next set of landings are fine 
The good thing is, that you have booked another circuit sesh to overcome this, I bet your next set of landings are fine