Do you know where this is - again
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Do you know where this is - again
In today's narrow route briefing:
RAC : FROM 04/05/22 16:55 TO 04/05/22 17:50 B0854/04
E)AUS 04-05-0563/1504/AS6
TEMPORARY CONTROLLED AIRSPACE ESTABLISHED AS FOLLOWS
AWY L9 EXTENDED VERTICALLY FM KENET TO MIMBI FL65/3000FT AMSL
1655/1750. CONTROL AUTHORITY LACC
F)3000FT AMSL G)FL065
For the benefit of anyone who missed the discussion of a virtually identical Notam a few weeks back, these waypoints are not shown on the VFR charts typically used by the very pilots that it is presumably addressed to.
I know that Mike Cross raised this amongst many issues at the recent AIS meeting. Is there no way that we can get through to the originator of this Notam that this information is virtually useless to the people it is intended for?
Incidentally, Notamplot (which first alerted me to the Notam - thanks Ian) shows the area of influence as a circle, not the outline of the airway. Presumably that's because the originator couldn't be bothered to give the co-ordinates in the Q-Line.
Apologies for banging on about this.
RAC : FROM 04/05/22 16:55 TO 04/05/22 17:50 B0854/04
E)AUS 04-05-0563/1504/AS6
TEMPORARY CONTROLLED AIRSPACE ESTABLISHED AS FOLLOWS
AWY L9 EXTENDED VERTICALLY FM KENET TO MIMBI FL65/3000FT AMSL
1655/1750. CONTROL AUTHORITY LACC
F)3000FT AMSL G)FL065
For the benefit of anyone who missed the discussion of a virtually identical Notam a few weeks back, these waypoints are not shown on the VFR charts typically used by the very pilots that it is presumably addressed to.
I know that Mike Cross raised this amongst many issues at the recent AIS meeting. Is there no way that we can get through to the originator of this Notam that this information is virtually useless to the people it is intended for?
Incidentally, Notamplot (which first alerted me to the Notam - thanks Ian) shows the area of influence as a circle, not the outline of the airway. Presumably that's because the originator couldn't be bothered to give the co-ordinates in the Q-Line.
Apologies for banging on about this.
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The writer of the NOTAM probably assumes that you have a copy of the AIP. At the back of the AIP are the maps that show these positions.
many who use the CD ROM version of the AIP probably don't know that they are also entitled to the maps, but you have to request them.
many who use the CD ROM version of the AIP probably don't know that they are also entitled to the maps, but you have to request them.
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He's right! See for example lower ATS routes in the online AIP here: http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/pdf/enr/26030101.PDF
This shows L9 clearly, but not KENET or MIMBI but I suspect that if you hunt around starting from the Enroute Index here: http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/html/aipenr.htm you will find what you want.
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This shows L9 clearly, but not KENET or MIMBI but I suspect that if you hunt around starting from the Enroute Index here: http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/html/aipenr.htm you will find what you want.
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See also http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/pdf/enr/20403.PDF which will tell you exactly where KENET and MIMBI etc. are.
So, at the end of the day, the info IS all there in the AIP if you can get to it online or in paper form, BUT the plonker who wrote the NOTAM should put the info in more user-friendly form..!
Andy
So, at the end of the day, the info IS all there in the AIP if you can get to it online or in paper form, BUT the plonker who wrote the NOTAM should put the info in more user-friendly form..!
Andy
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Now that it is all clear for everyone to understand, does anyone know why? Can anyone that has the required knowledge and the backing of the CAA just do something like this ? Why does this need to be done?
I had a discussion with DAP recently and suggested that those who require controlled airspace should "rent" it by volume! I bet that would see it reduced considerably. The answer was of course that it is too difficult to do this but it has been considered. Mike Cross to take up the suggestion? (Yes I know you have done more than anyone imagined possible but you at least have "their" attention).
WH
I had a discussion with DAP recently and suggested that those who require controlled airspace should "rent" it by volume! I bet that would see it reduced considerably. The answer was of course that it is too difficult to do this but it has been considered. Mike Cross to take up the suggestion? (Yes I know you have done more than anyone imagined possible but you at least have "their" attention).
WH
