Display of reckless flying along N Norfolk coast
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Display of wreckless flying along N Norfolk coast
You private flyers really know how to annoy the public!
Midday 16 May. A couple of 'planes flew along the N. Norfolk coastline. One about 300ft agl over the sand dunes, the other about 30ft between the high water mark and the sea. Very close to the 70 to 80 people on the beach. Registation marks on both a/craft easily readable.
Mr 30ft waving regally like the Queen as he passed by. Just then he saw large green kite being flown just ahead of him and above him, at about 100ft.
He took evasive action climbing hard right over the sand dunes.
No one was impressed.
Midday 16 May. A couple of 'planes flew along the N. Norfolk coastline. One about 300ft agl over the sand dunes, the other about 30ft between the high water mark and the sea. Very close to the 70 to 80 people on the beach. Registation marks on both a/craft easily readable.
Mr 30ft waving regally like the Queen as he passed by. Just then he saw large green kite being flown just ahead of him and above him, at about 100ft.
He took evasive action climbing hard right over the sand dunes.
No one was impressed.
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Why not do something about it then. If you're that sure of the facts and were a material witness then make the call. If it's true we can all do without idiots like that.
Out of interest - were they group 'A' fixed wings or microlights?
Out of interest - were they group 'A' fixed wings or microlights?
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You private flyers really know how to annoy the public!
Get a friggin' life you generalising fool. Do you not realise that........
One about 300ft agl over the sand dunes
the other about 30ft between the high water mark and the sea
Mr 30ft
at about 100ft.
Are you qualified to accuse in this manner? If not I should get yourself a damn good lawyer for what might come your way if you are out of your league!!
Great day for flying today though!!!!
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Sounds like great fun to me 
. I for one like seeing planes flying past. If they weren't endangering anyone (and I don't mean in theory after a long sequence of outlandish coincidences) then what's the problem? I'd have enjoyed it.
. I for one like seeing planes flying past. If they weren't endangering anyone (and I don't mean in theory after a long sequence of outlandish coincidences) then what's the problem? I'd have enjoyed it.
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Got to agree with Mono here, get a life or a pair of binoculars!!
Why are you posting on a flying thread if you start your post with "You private flyers really know how to annoy the public!"
Why are you posting on a flying thread if you start your post with "You private flyers really know how to annoy the public!"
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Welcome to the Private Flying Forum, psyclic. We are all very glad to be collectively branded as irresponsible gits on the basis of the alleged misbehaviour of two pilots. As Chilli Monster observes, if you are sure of the heights and have the registrations, call the CAA. Otherwise, what is your point?
Oh, by the way, Captain Troll, did you get your ATPL in a Lucky Bag without ever holding a PPL or other licence? I only ask because you can't tell whether an aircraft is a Cessna (admittedly a very rare and exotic aircraft) at 300 feet.
PS: I know the North Norfolk coast well, and was flying there over the weekend until this morning. I often see people flying along quite low but well clear of the beaches. People in yachts wave at them.
Oh, by the way, Captain Troll, did you get your ATPL in a Lucky Bag without ever holding a PPL or other licence? I only ask because you can't tell whether an aircraft is a Cessna (admittedly a very rare and exotic aircraft) at 300 feet.
PS: I know the North Norfolk coast well, and was flying there over the weekend until this morning. I often see people flying along quite low but well clear of the beaches. People in yachts wave at them.
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In Ireland we still land on the odd beach and to do that you have even got to fly below 30 ft
But thank God we dont have too many off duty ATPLs, just mostly nice people who are interested to see an aircraft close up.
Great flying weather today over here but I did not make the beach, perhaps next weekend
psyclic, i'll check the tide tables let you know in advance if you want to watch.
Tony
But thank God we dont have too many off duty ATPLs, just mostly nice people who are interested to see an aircraft close up.
Great flying weather today over here but I did not make the beach, perhaps next weekend
psyclic, i'll check the tide tables let you know in advance if you want to watch.
Tony
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Sir
Having read your initial post and observed the replies that followed, I believe you might be out of your depth in this matter. Sir FNG is not one to mince his words and upon analysis, your thread starter appears to be somewhat lacking in factual reference and accuracy.
Please back up your original post with proof of altitutudes and times and I would be happy to assist you in your quest for the goolies of an individual who was doing bugger all wrong today.
Thanks
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Having read your initial post and observed the replies that followed, I believe you might be out of your depth in this matter. Sir FNG is not one to mince his words and upon analysis, your thread starter appears to be somewhat lacking in factual reference and accuracy.
Please back up your original post with proof of altitutudes and times and I would be happy to assist you in your quest for the goolies of an individual who was doing bugger all wrong today.
Thanks
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Ok, so psyclic's comments tar us all with the same brush, but you have to wonder at the fact that there are still private pilots out there that haven't sussed that not everyone like aeroplanes!
Even if it is legal to fly like this, does it make sense? Does this present private aviation in a good light or a poor one? What if the avoiding action for the kite had caused the aircraft to stall, crash and kill someone?
I think the point is that flying down the coast is nice, if done nicely.
Even if it is legal to fly like this, does it make sense? Does this present private aviation in a good light or a poor one? What if the avoiding action for the kite had caused the aircraft to stall, crash and kill someone?
I think the point is that flying down the coast is nice, if done nicely.
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In all fairness, Psyclic was just saying what he saw - admittedley the generalisation was unfair - and judging by his username I guess he flys helicopters - so a cessna like - to me most small high wing monoplanes look like a cessna.
Also in this instance, they appear to not have been 'clear of the beach.'
Psyclic
I must also agree with the general response, that if they were at fault, and you have sufficient evidence to prove so, then please make the call, as we all could do without such cowboys.
Such incidents are a shame, because it can at times leave large black marks on a great industry
Just my thoughts - open to a slating
In all fairness, Psyclic was just saying what he saw - admittedley the generalisation was unfair - and judging by his username I guess he flys helicopters - so a cessna like - to me most small high wing monoplanes look like a cessna.
Also in this instance, they appear to not have been 'clear of the beach.'
Psyclic
I must also agree with the general response, that if they were at fault, and you have sufficient evidence to prove so, then please make the call, as we all could do without such cowboys.
Such incidents are a shame, because it can at times leave large black marks on a great industry
Just my thoughts - open to a slating
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I didn't need binoculars, it was all so close, that's what surprised me. And caused a bit of a knee jerk in the interests of FS.
Apologies to those irritated by my heading; I wanted to get the attention of those involved.
I'm sure a kite line wouldn't have damaged a prop much, just that these days large kites often tend to be attached to riders.
Mr. 30 ft may have been doing rollers along Scolt Head with no people there, so he was low, but the Overy beach had people on it. Sliding left over the sea as he came over the gap would have been safer.
First went down the bank to Overy beach in '54 Never seen any flying incident down there like what happened today until......today.
Apologies to those irritated by my heading; I wanted to get the attention of those involved.
I'm sure a kite line wouldn't have damaged a prop much, just that these days large kites often tend to be attached to riders.
Mr. 30 ft may have been doing rollers along Scolt Head with no people there, so he was low, but the Overy beach had people on it. Sliding left over the sea as he came over the gap would have been safer.
First went down the bank to Overy beach in '54 Never seen any flying incident down there like what happened today until......today.
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Ok. So now I'm up early worrying I've upset the private flyers who are more clever with words and typing than me!
My thread title was sweeping (for which I apologise again) but so was the action of Mr 30ft; He tarred PA for everyone down there on the beach who saw him joust with the kite.
I agree; o/head height judgement is difficult. But Mr 30ft was horizontal from me (I was standing on a sand dune)
Rather stupidly, I realize now, I thought some of you might know Mr 30ft and have a word with him. After all he could have queered the pitch for everyone.
My thread title was sweeping (for which I apologise again) but so was the action of Mr 30ft; He tarred PA for everyone down there on the beach who saw him joust with the kite.
I agree; o/head height judgement is difficult. But Mr 30ft was horizontal from me (I was standing on a sand dune)
Rather stupidly, I realize now, I thought some of you might know Mr 30ft and have a word with him. After all he could have queered the pitch for everyone.
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psyclic have a sense of fun. I note you are a Police helicopter pilot ex mil I assume. You get more than enough low flying.
Scolt Head and the the Burnam Staith are indeed my favourite places in Norfolk and at times I have seen aeroplanes there but normally offshore and away from people walking the beach, equally I have seen a/c land on the sands nr Holkham, done sensibly its ok, these hero's at the weekend may have stepped over the line.
You seem as annoyed as I get when on weekend nights our local police chopper keeps people awake hovering over the town at 200ft with a huge spotlight. I am sure you guys are having as much fun as those chaps you mentioned!
Scolt Head and the the Burnam Staith are indeed my favourite places in Norfolk and at times I have seen aeroplanes there but normally offshore and away from people walking the beach, equally I have seen a/c land on the sands nr Holkham, done sensibly its ok, these hero's at the weekend may have stepped over the line.
You seem as annoyed as I get when on weekend nights our local police chopper keeps people awake hovering over the town at 200ft with a huge spotlight. I am sure you guys are having as much fun as those chaps you mentioned!
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Ah ....... glorious memories of flying a Stearman along Padre Island Texas, not far from Harlingen, years ago. Open cockpit, nothing on the clock but the maker's name etc - actual height about 30', less in parts. Oops! Some walkers. Are they shaking their fists? No, just waving. Utter bliss. 
And just as much fun doing the same thing in a Harvard a few days later.
And just as much fun doing the same thing in a Harvard a few days later.
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On a recent thread about alleged low flying, the consensus that emerged was that a polite note to the registered owner was preferable to either a CAA report or an internet "why oh why" rant. You have the registrations, so why not use G-INFO to contact the owner and express your concern, pilot to pilot?
Recently I saw a paramotor up to no good above Burnham Overy (which he is not allowed over, as its a congested area, and certainly not at 200 feet ). I managed via a friendly paramotor instructor to get a polite message to the ace (and an offer of a free go on a paramotor to boot)
I sail at Burnham Overy Staithe and occasionally fly along Scolt Head and Blakeney Point. There are some regular local aircraft to be seen near the beaches, including a lovely Puss Moth, and sometimes microlights land on the empty streches of beach. Helicopters sometimes put down in the field near the boathouse. Harriers practise bomb runs. Everyone has fun. If, as you say, these two were being demonstrably silly, then maybe they need a quiet word.
PS: as for one of us maybe knowing who it was, when I see crystal clear aircraft descriptions such as "er...maybe a Cessna, or something," and "some sort of ag plane", I naturally exclaim "Oh, yes, that must be dangerous Colin and his mate reckless Ralph. Tut, tut, those boys, eh?"
PPS; Talking of safe and professional low flying (as practised, of course, by police helos) , I was interested to watch a banner tower get airborne and hook up his banner from Burnham airstrip on Saturday evening: very skillful stuff.
Recently I saw a paramotor up to no good above Burnham Overy (which he is not allowed over, as its a congested area, and certainly not at 200 feet ). I managed via a friendly paramotor instructor to get a polite message to the ace (and an offer of a free go on a paramotor to boot)
I sail at Burnham Overy Staithe and occasionally fly along Scolt Head and Blakeney Point. There are some regular local aircraft to be seen near the beaches, including a lovely Puss Moth, and sometimes microlights land on the empty streches of beach. Helicopters sometimes put down in the field near the boathouse. Harriers practise bomb runs. Everyone has fun. If, as you say, these two were being demonstrably silly, then maybe they need a quiet word.
PS: as for one of us maybe knowing who it was, when I see crystal clear aircraft descriptions such as "er...maybe a Cessna, or something," and "some sort of ag plane", I naturally exclaim "Oh, yes, that must be dangerous Colin and his mate reckless Ralph. Tut, tut, those boys, eh?"
PPS; Talking of safe and professional low flying (as practised, of course, by police helos) , I was interested to watch a banner tower get airborne and hook up his banner from Burnham airstrip on Saturday evening: very skillful stuff.
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Great to see all you real Norfolk Aviators at the tail wheel fly-in at Burnham strip on the weekend 18/19/20 June. No police helicopeters allowed!
note:I also saw the paraglider(chute with a fan thing) at the Staithe that same day, the engine cut out and the gentleman alighted in a heap in the beer garden behind the " Hero" pub - fantastic stuff!
note:I also saw the paraglider(chute with a fan thing) at the Staithe that same day, the engine cut out and the gentleman alighted in a heap in the beer garden behind the " Hero" pub - fantastic stuff!
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Does anybody remember the I Learned About Flying From That article in Pilot about...18 months ago? Sorry not much help is that.
A chap in a Tiger Moth having a great day out. Happened to be over a large reservoir. Noticed a small collection of people up by the dam who were waving heartily. He descended and did a fly by. He quoted how exhilarated he was by the enthusiastic waving of the folk on the ground. So he did another low fly-by. With a wave, a turn and climb he set course for home.
A few days later the letter arrived from the CAA. Summonsed to an interview to explain the allegation of low flying. Turns out the guys on the ground were a bunch of bird watchers absolutely incensed at the fact that their day out had been ruined.
Oh yes, I should also point out that he claims that he did stick to the 500' rule. Very important that I make that point! The moral of the story was that even 500' isn't enough sometimes.
A chap in a Tiger Moth having a great day out. Happened to be over a large reservoir. Noticed a small collection of people up by the dam who were waving heartily. He descended and did a fly by. He quoted how exhilarated he was by the enthusiastic waving of the folk on the ground. So he did another low fly-by. With a wave, a turn and climb he set course for home.
A few days later the letter arrived from the CAA. Summonsed to an interview to explain the allegation of low flying. Turns out the guys on the ground were a bunch of bird watchers absolutely incensed at the fact that their day out had been ruined.
Oh yes, I should also point out that he claims that he did stick to the 500' rule. Very important that I make that point! The moral of the story was that even 500' isn't enough sometimes.
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Now we're really in trouble! He's dobbed us in to the rotorheads!
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