Display of reckless flying along N Norfolk coast
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Sorry, I did not mean to try to kill the debate dead or to be so flippant with jayteeto.
I do see it as an issue and I would not encourage anyone to fly low just for fun, but I don't think it is as widespread as some people make out.
I am certainly not taking anyone for a fool, I am not on any side here, I think there are times when some people may find themselves having to fly closer to the ground than they would really want to, if they have never done any "low flying" under supervision then it will be very difficult and will add considerable pressure to the pilot.
Tony
I do see it as an issue and I would not encourage anyone to fly low just for fun, but I don't think it is as widespread as some people make out.
I am certainly not taking anyone for a fool, I am not on any side here, I think there are times when some people may find themselves having to fly closer to the ground than they would really want to, if they have never done any "low flying" under supervision then it will be very difficult and will add considerable pressure to the pilot.
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Hello Fellow Aviators,
I wonder:
If this were a 'private driving' forum would there be a polarisation of opinions between people who stick religiously to speed limits and suggest that everyone alse should be 'reported' for breaking the speed limit? Would we find perhaps that this group of people would be predominantly holders of an 'Advanced Driving License' thereby in their minds giving them a right to hold higher moral ground?
This has got nothing to do with 'low flying' , the '500 foot rule' or any other law that our lords and masters dictate as a way of protecting ourselves from committing ourselves from an untimely death.
It's about people who believe they are a cut above the ordinary and thus feel they have a god given right to pontificate to the minions about what is right and what is wrong.
To fly along a coast dodging kites is clearly wrong from a common sense point of view, but is it in any way justifiable to report a brother for this? Flying along at 500 feet or even 1000 feet can be just as dangerous and foolhardy depending on the circumstances.
This thread would appear to me to be more about attitude than the legality of low flying and my namesake Tony R seems (IMHO) to be just about bang on.
Tony H
I wonder:
If this were a 'private driving' forum would there be a polarisation of opinions between people who stick religiously to speed limits and suggest that everyone alse should be 'reported' for breaking the speed limit? Would we find perhaps that this group of people would be predominantly holders of an 'Advanced Driving License' thereby in their minds giving them a right to hold higher moral ground?
This has got nothing to do with 'low flying' , the '500 foot rule' or any other law that our lords and masters dictate as a way of protecting ourselves from committing ourselves from an untimely death.
It's about people who believe they are a cut above the ordinary and thus feel they have a god given right to pontificate to the minions about what is right and what is wrong.
To fly along a coast dodging kites is clearly wrong from a common sense point of view, but is it in any way justifiable to report a brother for this? Flying along at 500 feet or even 1000 feet can be just as dangerous and foolhardy depending on the circumstances.
This thread would appear to me to be more about attitude than the legality of low flying and my namesake Tony R seems (IMHO) to be just about bang on.
Tony H
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... no I lied, I need to post.....
tonyhalsal, we very nearly agree you know. Having a professional licence doesn't give you the right to hold the moral high ground. There are plenty of private pilots who are far more professional than the professionals themselves. We agree that the 500' rule is irrelevant in this situation and that some situations are best avoided. We agree it is attitude on the line here. Where we waver, is that only the 'advanced drivers' are wrong. Yes, we could probably chill a bit, but some of the more outspoken privateers c/should do the same.
Reporting? In 20 years I have NEVER done it and would only do it in the most extreme circumstances. I would guess that reports are rare. (I could be wrong). But, I WOULD report someone who was deliberately reckless and there was NO DOUBT that he was being so.
Your post is really close to bringing both sides together, believe it or not, even us old grumpy barstewards love our flying.
PS. My head feels a bit better now......
tonyhalsal, we very nearly agree you know. Having a professional licence doesn't give you the right to hold the moral high ground. There are plenty of private pilots who are far more professional than the professionals themselves. We agree that the 500' rule is irrelevant in this situation and that some situations are best avoided. We agree it is attitude on the line here. Where we waver, is that only the 'advanced drivers' are wrong. Yes, we could probably chill a bit, but some of the more outspoken privateers c/should do the same.
Reporting? In 20 years I have NEVER done it and would only do it in the most extreme circumstances. I would guess that reports are rare. (I could be wrong). But, I WOULD report someone who was deliberately reckless and there was NO DOUBT that he was being so.
Your post is really close to bringing both sides together, believe it or not, even us old grumpy barstewards love our flying.
PS. My head feels a bit better now......
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Ok I admit it, I have flown really low,
I found some old photos of when I were a lad (well a 20 something), In 1979 when living in Israel I was in a chopper doing some very low flying,
The shoreline of the Dead Sea, on the border of Israel and Jordan, is the lowest land area on Earth. The altitude of the Dead Sea shoreline is approximately 1,300 feet below sea level.
QNH 1000, QFE 1043
Picks to follow (when I remember how do do it again)
Tony
I found some old photos of when I were a lad (well a 20 something), In 1979 when living in Israel I was in a chopper doing some very low flying,
The shoreline of the Dead Sea, on the border of Israel and Jordan, is the lowest land area on Earth. The altitude of the Dead Sea shoreline is approximately 1,300 feet below sea level.
QNH 1000, QFE 1043
Picks to follow (when I remember how do do it again)
Tony
