Biggin Hill ATC
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Kirstey,
Take it you were amongst those cheering on people who were having a scrap at the playground.
What an immature attitude.
Don't you think it would be more dignified to keep information to which you are obviously privvy, under your hat.
I can not see what a post like that contributes at all.
FD
Take it you were amongst those cheering on people who were having a scrap at the playground.
What an immature attitude.
Don't you think it would be more dignified to keep information to which you are obviously privvy, under your hat.
I can not see what a post like that contributes at all.
FD
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: England
Flyin'Dutch'
And you reckon your post, as quoted above, does contribute? As this is a Rumor Network, if you don't like/belive what you read on these forums you should 
ignore them.
Kirstey keep any information that you are privvy to coming!
Take it you were amongst those cheering on people who were having a scrap at the playground. What an immature attitude. Don't you think it would be more dignified to keep information to which you are obviously privvy, under your hat. I can not see what a post like that contributes at all.
ignore them. Kirstey keep any information that you are privvy to coming!
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Nah keep it under your hat and don't feed the old wifes the gossip.
Scraps in the car park are all highly amusing to bystanders but in the long run are never really funny. (this has been learnt by experence)
Nobody is a winner whatever happened.
Don't now anything about the politics down there but if a ATCO leaves its one less person providing a service from what sounds like a team which is already working hard.
The SATCO looses because of HR crap covering shifts and trying to hire someone to fill the job
The rest of the team looses because they have to work more.
The airport looses ATC has reduced man power.
And the customers loose out because the ATC are having to work with reduced staff.
A pile of horse poo really.
MJ
Scraps in the car park are all highly amusing to bystanders but in the long run are never really funny. (this has been learnt by experence)
Nobody is a winner whatever happened.
Don't now anything about the politics down there but if a ATCO leaves its one less person providing a service from what sounds like a team which is already working hard.
The SATCO looses because of HR crap covering shifts and trying to hire someone to fill the job
The rest of the team looses because they have to work more.
The airport looses ATC has reduced man power.
And the customers loose out because the ATC are having to work with reduced staff.
A pile of horse poo really.
MJ
Joined: Feb 2004
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From: Kent, of course!
Hell's Teeth! What on earth has been going on up there up at Biggin?
All this 'Cloak and Dagger', "best not to mention it", "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" stuff has got the rest of us with our mind's racing!!!
It's rather like the Captain of the Titanic making an announcement to the passengers to say that "the ship's not sinking"!
Big Hilly
I have read through this and your last topic and there is no doubt, you have done a very good thing. Thank you from all of us who visit Biggin on a regular basis.
John
All this 'Cloak and Dagger', "best not to mention it", "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" stuff has got the rest of us with our mind's racing!!!
It's rather like the Captain of the Titanic making an announcement to the passengers to say that "the ship's not sinking"!
Big Hilly
I have read through this and your last topic and there is no doubt, you have done a very good thing. Thank you from all of us who visit Biggin on a regular basis.
John
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From: UK
Flash0710,
As I seem to recall saying to you the last time around:
As to the reasons why I didn't discuss this "face to face"; Are you really sure you want me to state them on here - won't it make trips in the Yak with Pete just a little uncomfortable?
Best wishes,
Big Hilly
As I seem to recall saying to you the last time around:
Thank you for your mature and intelligent contribution to a serious debate on aviation safety. 
Best wishes,
Big Hilly
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From: UK
Hmmmm !!
Don't know who I am supposed to be taking/have taken for a trip in the Yak, but the list of those who have been is pretty short.
Big Hilly seems to know lots about what I do, looks like I have my own personal 'stalker' !
Better keep an eye over my shoulder from now on in case he is following....
Don't know who I am supposed to be taking/have taken for a trip in the Yak, but the list of those who have been is pretty short.
Big Hilly seems to know lots about what I do, looks like I have my own personal 'stalker' !
Better keep an eye over my shoulder from now on in case he is following....
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Well, SATCO Biggin, I can’t deny that I do find you rather attractive. . . 
Best say nothing more about it on here, perhaps I could woo you with Roses and Chocs on Saturday (14th)?
Best wishes,
Big Hilly
Best say nothing more about it on here, perhaps I could woo you with Roses and Chocs on Saturday (14th)?
Best wishes,
Big Hilly
Mess Your Passage
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From: Temporarily Unaware......
My contribution to the forum was quite straight forward.
If it aint broke dont fix it.
You BH seem to have had too many years flying whilst having your nose blown. No doubt earning a pretty packet
Meanwhile lower life forms as you arrogance suggests still have to deal with the good old fashioned wait your turn stuff!
You have a job! Be happy. But to now lord it over being the self proclaimed Biggin ATS inspector well please.......
Perhaps you were bullied as a child.
If it aint broke dont fix it.
You BH seem to have had too many years flying whilst having your nose blown. No doubt earning a pretty packet
Meanwhile lower life forms as you arrogance suggests still have to deal with the good old fashioned wait your turn stuff!
You have a job! Be happy. But to now lord it over being the self proclaimed Biggin ATS inspector well please.......
Perhaps you were bullied as a child.
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From: UK
Well aren't we having fun around here. Less than savoury comments are starting to fly again.
Lets get one or two things clear from my perspective.
Decisions regarding the staffing and operational status of the Biggin ATC Unit are made according to the resources that we have available to us, and taking into account the comments and suggestions made to us by our customers. Customers that is who come and see us or make direct contact with us. Not those who post to public forums and hide behind anonymous names. If you have the courage of your convictions then come and talk to us.
Whilst I agree this is a democratic society and there is a degree of freedom of speech (within the limits of decency and legality) care should be taken when commenting publically.
I have actively supported the founders of this forum, and the Compuserve forums that went before, for many years. I believe such forums offer an important service to all of us in the 'aviation industry'. I would not wish to gag contributors unecessarily.
Perhaps though we should pause occasionally to assess what impact our postings have. The subject matter of this thread, and the one that went before it may have started as an innocent comment, although I am increasingly doubting that theory. Big Hilly and others who crave 'juicy bits of gossip' regarding the misfortunes of others would do well to remember that they may be having fun, but for those that are being commented upon the realities of life are somewhat different. I hope one day I may be allowed to wander into the working lives of Big Hilly, Kirstey, Kentish Lad, Ten-4 and others and spread gossip publicly regarding any misfortunes in their lives (all from an anonymous position of course). If I am really lucky I might be able to get my hands on a real bit of career threatening action and spread it around the forum and to hell with the humans behind it all.
Now, however, my understanding is wearing thin.
To the moderators of this forum, keep up the good work, but I hope you are also keeping tabs on this thread.
To the one who is arrogant enough to call himself/herself the 'Peoples Champion', I hope you are having fun, I know a few people who are not.
Lets get one or two things clear from my perspective.
Decisions regarding the staffing and operational status of the Biggin ATC Unit are made according to the resources that we have available to us, and taking into account the comments and suggestions made to us by our customers. Customers that is who come and see us or make direct contact with us. Not those who post to public forums and hide behind anonymous names. If you have the courage of your convictions then come and talk to us.
Whilst I agree this is a democratic society and there is a degree of freedom of speech (within the limits of decency and legality) care should be taken when commenting publically.
I have actively supported the founders of this forum, and the Compuserve forums that went before, for many years. I believe such forums offer an important service to all of us in the 'aviation industry'. I would not wish to gag contributors unecessarily.
Perhaps though we should pause occasionally to assess what impact our postings have. The subject matter of this thread, and the one that went before it may have started as an innocent comment, although I am increasingly doubting that theory. Big Hilly and others who crave 'juicy bits of gossip' regarding the misfortunes of others would do well to remember that they may be having fun, but for those that are being commented upon the realities of life are somewhat different. I hope one day I may be allowed to wander into the working lives of Big Hilly, Kirstey, Kentish Lad, Ten-4 and others and spread gossip publicly regarding any misfortunes in their lives (all from an anonymous position of course). If I am really lucky I might be able to get my hands on a real bit of career threatening action and spread it around the forum and to hell with the humans behind it all.
Now, however, my understanding is wearing thin.
To the moderators of this forum, keep up the good work, but I hope you are also keeping tabs on this thread.
To the one who is arrogant enough to call himself/herself the 'Peoples Champion', I hope you are having fun, I know a few people who are not.
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SATCO Biggin ,
I shall reply to this at greater length later, as imminent work prevents me from doing so now. But could I just clarify one or two points:
The purpose of this thread was to say THANK YOU for the changes that YOU have implemented at Biggin Hill. Nothing else, no hidden agenda, just a simple THANK YOU. I have taken your insults and innuendos with good grace and I also gave you the opportunity to PM me to discuss this matter with me in private, which you have declined to do. My posts have not been salacious, nor have I at any point been seeking ‘juicy bits of gossip’ and I have respected the boundaries of certain pieces of information that I have been privileged to.
I am not prepared to get into a public ‘slanging match’ here with you. If you have the guts, then PM me and we’ll get our differences sorted once and for all; otherwise we can carry on banging on about it on here until the moderators lose their patience and throw both of us off this forum!
The ball’s in your court. . .
Best wishes,
Big Hilly
I shall reply to this at greater length later, as imminent work prevents me from doing so now. But could I just clarify one or two points:
The purpose of this thread was to say THANK YOU for the changes that YOU have implemented at Biggin Hill. Nothing else, no hidden agenda, just a simple THANK YOU. I have taken your insults and innuendos with good grace and I also gave you the opportunity to PM me to discuss this matter with me in private, which you have declined to do. My posts have not been salacious, nor have I at any point been seeking ‘juicy bits of gossip’ and I have respected the boundaries of certain pieces of information that I have been privileged to.
I am not prepared to get into a public ‘slanging match’ here with you. If you have the guts, then PM me and we’ll get our differences sorted once and for all; otherwise we can carry on banging on about it on here until the moderators lose their patience and throw both of us off this forum!
The ball’s in your court. . .
Best wishes,
Big Hilly
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From: UK
I too do not intend to get into a slanging match with you.
Now that is a bit rich from someone who will not even admit who they are.
As we obviously have different ideas as to exactly why the original thread was started, why you subsequently had to drag in the subject of the altercation in the tower and now post a thread congratulating me on a job well done.
Save your typing later, I will PM you.
Best Wishes
SATCO Biggin
If you have the guts, then PM me and we’ll get our differences sorted once and for all;
As we obviously have different ideas as to exactly why the original thread was started, why you subsequently had to drag in the subject of the altercation in the tower and now post a thread congratulating me on a job well done.
Save your typing later, I will PM you.
Best Wishes
SATCO Biggin
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From: London
To be fair SATCO, the altercation in the tower has actually resulted in the more consistent use of two frequencies?
A guy was summararliy (bad spelling!) dismissed. It's hardly gossip, and hardly a secret! Unsavoury as the whole incident was, everyone benefitted.
A guy was summararliy (bad spelling!) dismissed. It's hardly gossip, and hardly a secret! Unsavoury as the whole incident was, everyone benefitted.
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SATCO Biggin,
Thank you for your PM which I shall reply to in due course.
Can I just make one more 'public' comment regarding your last post, above?
I have just re-read the original thread and, as far as I can see, I only made one oblique reference to the now infamous altercation, after which I refused to comment on it as a result of the ensuing enquiry and the ongoing action. Nor, I hasten to add, have I allowed myself to be drawn on it in this thread.
I would suggest that you re-read that thread in the ‘cold light of day’; as I said earlier, no malice was intended; just the simple wish to have a public discussion about something, which I felt strongly, was a serious issue.
Will catch up in private (PM’s) very soon.
Best wishes, as always,
Big Hilly
Thank you for your PM which I shall reply to in due course.
Can I just make one more 'public' comment regarding your last post, above?
I have just re-read the original thread and, as far as I can see, I only made one oblique reference to the now infamous altercation, after which I refused to comment on it as a result of the ensuing enquiry and the ongoing action. Nor, I hasten to add, have I allowed myself to be drawn on it in this thread.
I would suggest that you re-read that thread in the ‘cold light of day’; as I said earlier, no malice was intended; just the simple wish to have a public discussion about something, which I felt strongly, was a serious issue.
Will catch up in private (PM’s) very soon.
Best wishes, as always,
Big Hilly
