PPL hours before it lapses
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PPL hours before it lapses
My SE rating is due to lapse on the 11th March 2004. How many hours do I have to complete to stop it expiring?
Who has to sign the licence to say I have completed these hours?
Many thanks in advance
Who has to sign the licence to say I have completed these hours?
Many thanks in advance
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From LASORS Section F:
There is more detail on this in LASORS, but that's the basic requirements.
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Re-validation of Single-Engine Piston - SEP (Land) or TMG Class Ratings
May be revalidated by passing a Licensing Proficiency Check (LPC) with an authorised Flight Examiner (FE(A)) or Class Rating Examiner (CRE(A)) within the three months preceding the expiry date of the rating without loss of validity period.
Alternatively, both ratings may be revalidated by flying experience by producing logbook evidence to an authorised examiner of having completed the following within the 12 calendar months preceding the expiry date of the rating:-
i. 6 hours as pilot-in-command
ii. 12 take-offs and landings
iii. a training flight of at least 1 hour's duration with a FI(A) or CRI(A) who must countersign the appropriate logbook entry.
May be revalidated by passing a Licensing Proficiency Check (LPC) with an authorised Flight Examiner (FE(A)) or Class Rating Examiner (CRE(A)) within the three months preceding the expiry date of the rating without loss of validity period.
Alternatively, both ratings may be revalidated by flying experience by producing logbook evidence to an authorised examiner of having completed the following within the 12 calendar months preceding the expiry date of the rating:-
i. 6 hours as pilot-in-command
ii. 12 take-offs and landings
iii. a training flight of at least 1 hour's duration with a FI(A) or CRI(A) who must countersign the appropriate logbook entry.
FFF
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FFF,
Many thanks for the reply.
I would like to continue flying - so I need a checkride from an FI (this would count for my training flight). 12 take off and landings would be ok, 6 hours P1 time should be ok also.
Would all this count?
Many thanks
Many thanks for the reply.
I would like to continue flying - so I need a checkride from an FI (this would count for my training flight). 12 take off and landings would be ok, 6 hours P1 time should be ok also.
Would all this count?
Many thanks
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Jinkster,
No. If you have the check-ride (LPC) with an FI, you don't need the 12 hours, 12 take-offs and landings, hour with the instructor, etc.
If you meet all the hours requirements already, then you don't need a check-ride. (The hours requirements includes an hour with an instructor, but this is not a check-ride.)
It's an either/or situation.
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No. If you have the check-ride (LPC) with an FI, you don't need the 12 hours, 12 take-offs and landings, hour with the instructor, etc.
If you meet all the hours requirements already, then you don't need a check-ride. (The hours requirements includes an hour with an instructor, but this is not a check-ride.)
It's an either/or situation.
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Jinkster,
What FFF is absolutely correct, however in my experience a frighteningly large number of people have missed one vital step in the process. Whether you choose the "by experience" or "LPC" route to keeping your SEP rating valid, you MUST get the EXAMINER (not the instructor) to sign your LICENSE (not your log-book) BEFORE the rating expires (it cannot be backdated). It's amazing how many people have managed to miss this step, and if you do, the only option is an LPC with an examiner.
Happy landings,
MD.
What FFF is absolutely correct, however in my experience a frighteningly large number of people have missed one vital step in the process. Whether you choose the "by experience" or "LPC" route to keeping your SEP rating valid, you MUST get the EXAMINER (not the instructor) to sign your LICENSE (not your log-book) BEFORE the rating expires (it cannot be backdated). It's amazing how many people have managed to miss this step, and if you do, the only option is an LPC with an examiner.
Happy landings,
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MD and FFF
(Not that my license is anywhere near renewal, but to add to the memory banks
For a JAR license, say on first renewal (i.e. 2 years), is there any paperwork to send off to the CAA? Or is the first they know about your renewals when you apply for a license renew (5 years)?
Thanks
RR
(Not that my license is anywhere near renewal, but to add to the memory banks
For a JAR license, say on first renewal (i.e. 2 years), is there any paperwork to send off to the CAA? Or is the first they know about your renewals when you apply for a license renew (5 years)?
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You need to get a copy of the licence revalidation form (your instrcutor should have one of these) from the CAA Web Site - filling it out is pretty self explanatory.
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MD and Rodger - agree with both of your comments.
RR - yes, there is a form to be sent to the CAA. [Edit to note that CB got there before me!] However, they don't need to send anything back to you - the only thing that you physically get is a signature in your license from the examiner.
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RR - yes, there is a form to be sent to the CAA. [Edit to note that CB got there before me!] However, they don't need to send anything back to you - the only thing that you physically get is a signature in your license from the examiner.
FFF
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I need a checkride on the aircraft anyway as I havent flown for a while.
then i just do the 6hrs, and the 12 take off and landing
then i just do the 6hrs, and the 12 take off and landing
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Jinkster,
I think you'll find that in the second year you have to do 12 hours, of which at least 6 is PIC and 1 with an instructor.
If you can't do that you do the test with the examiner.
CC
I think you'll find that in the second year you have to do 12 hours, of which at least 6 is PIC and 1 with an instructor.
If you can't do that you do the test with the examiner.
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Hang on guys - this is getting confusing...
Read this checklist from "Flyer" magazine, but ....
EITHER an LPC (licensing proficiency check) with an EXAMINER (FE - not FI) - should take about an hour - stalling, steep turns, circuits, PFL.
OR - "experience", which requires...
12 hours flight in last 12 months of validity
at least 6 of which must be P1
12 take offs and landings
minimum 1 hour dual flight with a JAA rated instructor (FI) or any other type of flight test (IMC initial or revalidation, multi engine rating, whatever)
Must get signature in log book from the instructor, must get signature in licence from the examiner.
This form must be sent back to CAA - and if revalidated (or renewed) by flight test then this form (which shows all the flight test requirements) must be kept by the examiner for three years (and then destroyed).
Read this checklist from "Flyer" magazine, but ....
EITHER an LPC (licensing proficiency check) with an EXAMINER (FE - not FI) - should take about an hour - stalling, steep turns, circuits, PFL.
OR - "experience", which requires...
12 hours flight in last 12 months of validity
at least 6 of which must be P1
12 take offs and landings
minimum 1 hour dual flight with a JAA rated instructor (FI) or any other type of flight test (IMC initial or revalidation, multi engine rating, whatever)
Must get signature in log book from the instructor, must get signature in licence from the examiner.
This form must be sent back to CAA - and if revalidated (or renewed) by flight test then this form (which shows all the flight test requirements) must be kept by the examiner for three years (and then destroyed).
The full LASORS, FFF beat me to it!
From LASORS 2002 - need to double check the info is still correct. I believe it is but as always best bet is to ask your instructor or an examiner!
RE-VALIDATION OF SINGLE ENGINE PISTON - SEP (LAND) OR TMG CLASS RATINGS
May be revalidated by passing a Licensing Proficiency Check (LPC) with an authorised Flight Examiner (FE(A)) or Class Rating Examiner (CRE(A)) within the three months preceding the expiry date of the rating without loss of validity period.
Alternatively, both ratings may be revalidated by flying experience by producing logbook evidence to an authorised examiner of having completed the following within the 12 calendar months preceding the expiry date of the rating:-
12 hours of flight time in SEP of TMG aircraft as appropriate to include;
(i) 6 hours as pilot-in-command;
(ii) 12 take-offs and landings;
(iii) a training flight of at least 1 hour's duration with a FI(A) or CRI(A) who must countersign the appropriate logbook entry.
*The instructor must be authorised in accordance with JAR-FCL to instruct for the JAR-FCL TMG or SEP(Land) rating as appropriate. This instructional flight may be replaced by successful completion of any proficiency check for an aeroplane class, type or licence rating (e.g. IMC, IR) with an examiner authorised in accordance with JAR-FCL 1.
*If revalidating by flying experience, and providing the examiner signs the Certificate of Revalidation page within the 12 months prior to the rating expiry, the validity of the revalidated rating will be calculated from the date of expiry of the preceding rating.
*If the licence contains both SEP(Land) and TMG ratings, revalidation requirements of both classes may be satisfied by completing the above requirements in EITHER a TMG or an SEP (Land) aeroplane (or a combination of both)
IMPORTANT NOTE
If the SEP (Land) or TMG Class Rating is revalidated by flying experience, then you must have your Certificate of Revalidation signed within the existing expiry period of the rating(s). Failure to do so willresult in you having to complete a Licensing Proficiency Check to renew the rating(s).
hope this helps.
Russell
From LASORS 2002 - need to double check the info is still correct. I believe it is but as always best bet is to ask your instructor or an examiner!
RE-VALIDATION OF SINGLE ENGINE PISTON - SEP (LAND) OR TMG CLASS RATINGS
May be revalidated by passing a Licensing Proficiency Check (LPC) with an authorised Flight Examiner (FE(A)) or Class Rating Examiner (CRE(A)) within the three months preceding the expiry date of the rating without loss of validity period.
Alternatively, both ratings may be revalidated by flying experience by producing logbook evidence to an authorised examiner of having completed the following within the 12 calendar months preceding the expiry date of the rating:-
12 hours of flight time in SEP of TMG aircraft as appropriate to include;
(i) 6 hours as pilot-in-command;
(ii) 12 take-offs and landings;
(iii) a training flight of at least 1 hour's duration with a FI(A) or CRI(A) who must countersign the appropriate logbook entry.
*The instructor must be authorised in accordance with JAR-FCL to instruct for the JAR-FCL TMG or SEP(Land) rating as appropriate. This instructional flight may be replaced by successful completion of any proficiency check for an aeroplane class, type or licence rating (e.g. IMC, IR) with an examiner authorised in accordance with JAR-FCL 1.
*If revalidating by flying experience, and providing the examiner signs the Certificate of Revalidation page within the 12 months prior to the rating expiry, the validity of the revalidated rating will be calculated from the date of expiry of the preceding rating.
*If the licence contains both SEP(Land) and TMG ratings, revalidation requirements of both classes may be satisfied by completing the above requirements in EITHER a TMG or an SEP (Land) aeroplane (or a combination of both)
IMPORTANT NOTE
If the SEP (Land) or TMG Class Rating is revalidated by flying experience, then you must have your Certificate of Revalidation signed within the existing expiry period of the rating(s). Failure to do so willresult in you having to complete a Licensing Proficiency Check to renew the rating(s).
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I inadvertantly lapsed last year - when I realised I was "oh no, full GFT..." - was very relieved to find out that the LPC is pretty simple. Handling, PFLs, that kind of stuff. No nav, and so much much shorter than the GFT. Basically if you do the physical thing of flying, you are OK. I think I paid £70 for the examiner, plus the solo rate on the AC.
(My ever present weakness was the PFLs, so if that's yours you might want to practice a few before the LPC).
(My ever present weakness was the PFLs, so if that's yours you might want to practice a few before the LPC).
