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Does anyone on this thread know who overflew the Swan Hotel at Newby Bridge yesterday at around 1500hrs, Low winged, single engine fixed u/c white in colour.
If you do, please would you drop me a line on the Private mx system on PPrune, all replys will be in strict confidence.
Vfrpilotpb
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If you do, please would you drop me a line on the Private mx system on PPrune, all replys will be in strict confidence.
Vfrpilotpb
Many Regards
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Dewdrop,
Not wishing to be too rude on the first day of the year, If, and that is a very big IF, I could find this A/c and subsquently the P1 on that day, I will personally remove his testicles, that would be better than any reporting to the authorities, the Pilot is a W**ker, big style,
Not wishing to be too rude on the first day of the year, If, and that is a very big IF, I could find this A/c and subsquently the P1 on that day, I will personally remove his testicles, that would be better than any reporting to the authorities, the Pilot is a W**ker, big style,
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Nice to see you starting the new year with a positive attitude to your fellow pilots.......Not!
Believe it or not, in that unpopulated part of the world, the pilot was probably not doing anything illegal.
Reminds me of the story about the Welsh farmer who got fed up with military jets flying (quite legally) near his farm at 250ft. He painted in big white letters "PI$$ OFF BIGGLES" on the roof of the barn.....Funny, this attracted even more pilots wanting to have a look.
Happy New Year
Believe it or not, in that unpopulated part of the world, the pilot was probably not doing anything illegal.
Reminds me of the story about the Welsh farmer who got fed up with military jets flying (quite legally) near his farm at 250ft. He painted in big white letters "PI$$ OFF BIGGLES" on the roof of the barn.....Funny, this attracted even more pilots wanting to have a look.
Happy New Year
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Zlin,
I am normally very placid, but sadly your comment about "Nothing illegal in that part of the world" is very wrong, if you had been sat in the hover as we were when some uneducated moron who calls himself a Pilot flys over a known heli park at less than treetop height, then possibly you may feel the same as I do, although not being a legal eagle I would say this tosser endangered His own A/c, the Gazelle in the hover, and possible the 200 odd people who would be milling around the hotel complex at that time, it would be easy to "drop a dime" but on this occasion more direct action would make me feel better!
I am normally very placid, but sadly your comment about "Nothing illegal in that part of the world" is very wrong, if you had been sat in the hover as we were when some uneducated moron who calls himself a Pilot flys over a known heli park at less than treetop height, then possibly you may feel the same as I do, although not being a legal eagle I would say this tosser endangered His own A/c, the Gazelle in the hover, and possible the 200 odd people who would be milling around the hotel complex at that time, it would be easy to "drop a dime" but on this occasion more direct action would make me feel better!
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a Pilot flys over a known heli park
To be legal, the fixed wing pilot would only have to maintain 500' separation (vertical, horizontal, or combination of both) from any person, structure, etc. Thus as Zlin stated, it is quite possible that the pilot was operating totally legally.
It may also have been a military aircraft flying a low flying training profile (Grob Tutor for example), in which case other low flying rules come in to force. The ANO also exempts military aircraft.
If you are really that concerned then why not file an Airprox report ?? It would investigate all the issues and bring lessons to everyone.
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I can understand your anger - we have all gone "Fxxxing Idiot!" when our life has been threatened but you seem to be on a witchhunt.
Did any of the 200 or so milling around at the hotel see what happened?
Would be amazed if no-one got it on video or on camera.
File an airprox - you owe it to others.
Did any of the 200 or so milling around at the hotel see what happened?
Would be amazed if no-one got it on video or on camera.
File an airprox - you owe it to others.
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I read, and understand what you are all saying, for clarity I will list the facts:
The A/c was not Military it was low winged, single engine, and painted all white, with fixed u/c, it could have come from EGNH or EGNL or EGNC possibly even EGGP or EGNM they are all within that range for "fun Flying"
The Swan at Newby bridge is a very well known watering hole possible not down south, but up here int North it is well known and handles a lot of Heli traffic from visitors.
The Swan its self sits at about 40ft AMSL, the buildings are about 50 to 55ft high, the heli park at the rear covers about 3 to 4 acres, trees at the very end are about 60/80ft
The A/c flew in from the Barrow In Furnace direction, passed over the Swan at roughly 80/100 ft then had to climb to miss the trees at the rivers edge, after the trees, it then came down to around 30/40ft from the lakes surface.
I keep looking but cannot find in any of my books where it is legal to fly at that height over houses (alongside the River Leven) and then over this newly White painted big sticky out Hotel.
Is this is normal in the Fw community ?
For he read He/she(pilot)
I think this was an outrageous piece of flying, that given a few more seconds could have led to a terminal incident, would it look good for either Heli or F/w flyers if that had happened?
Somebody out there in the small flying community in the North will know who this pilot is,
Bright Ling, Nah not a witch hunt, but the pilot/ess needs a severe Ear bashing!
The A/c was not Military it was low winged, single engine, and painted all white, with fixed u/c, it could have come from EGNH or EGNL or EGNC possibly even EGGP or EGNM they are all within that range for "fun Flying"
The Swan at Newby bridge is a very well known watering hole possible not down south, but up here int North it is well known and handles a lot of Heli traffic from visitors.
The Swan its self sits at about 40ft AMSL, the buildings are about 50 to 55ft high, the heli park at the rear covers about 3 to 4 acres, trees at the very end are about 60/80ft
The A/c flew in from the Barrow In Furnace direction, passed over the Swan at roughly 80/100 ft then had to climb to miss the trees at the rivers edge, after the trees, it then came down to around 30/40ft from the lakes surface.
I keep looking but cannot find in any of my books where it is legal to fly at that height over houses (alongside the River Leven) and then over this newly White painted big sticky out Hotel.
Is this is normal in the Fw community ?
For he read He/she(pilot)
I think this was an outrageous piece of flying, that given a few more seconds could have led to a terminal incident, would it look good for either Heli or F/w flyers if that had happened?
Somebody out there in the small flying community in the North will know who this pilot is,
Bright Ling, Nah not a witch hunt, but the pilot/ess needs a severe Ear bashing!
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Legal or not, it's never a good idea flying so low, for quite a number of reasons.
If it had been a practice forced landing, then I could understand it, and why the pilot might not have noticed the hotel. However from reading vfr's description, he seems to indicate that the aircraft flew at this height for some time.
Maybe the rotar pilot should also have had a better lookout before attempting to take off.
However at the end of the day, there is no good reason for flying so low just for fun. Of course there is always the possibility that this was not for fun, and that maybe they had some problem, and only got it sorted at the last second.
However as a community, I think we can sometimes be too quick to jump to someones defence and say something is not illegal, when clearly it is not safe, and does nothing for the cause of GA freedoms. We should not be condoning unsafe flying.
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If it had been a practice forced landing, then I could understand it, and why the pilot might not have noticed the hotel. However from reading vfr's description, he seems to indicate that the aircraft flew at this height for some time.
Maybe the rotar pilot should also have had a better lookout before attempting to take off.
However at the end of the day, there is no good reason for flying so low just for fun. Of course there is always the possibility that this was not for fun, and that maybe they had some problem, and only got it sorted at the last second.
However as a community, I think we can sometimes be too quick to jump to someones defence and say something is not illegal, when clearly it is not safe, and does nothing for the cause of GA freedoms. We should not be condoning unsafe flying.
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Copied from the Rotary Forum Post:
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PB - Have you considered posting this in the "Private Flying" forum, perhaps with a change to the title so that the lesser mortals will be interested in reading it? You never know, someone there might know who your "ace" might be...
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Well us "lesser mortals" have to remember that helicoptor pilots own the skies and so anything that upsets them is indeed newsworthy..............
We have all had near misses and we all make mistakes from time to time. Seems to me that you successfully implemented see and avoid so no foul. If your knickers are really that twisted then file an airprox and let them sort it out.
Dublipilot: We did not SEE the event so are hardly condoning it or are we able to pass comment on it by taking one irrate persons word.
Lets not jump on the bandwagon handing out judgement when the facts are all one sided.
Happy New Year.
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PB - Have you considered posting this in the "Private Flying" forum, perhaps with a change to the title so that the lesser mortals will be interested in reading it? You never know, someone there might know who your "ace" might be...
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Well us "lesser mortals" have to remember that helicoptor pilots own the skies and so anything that upsets them is indeed newsworthy..............
We have all had near misses and we all make mistakes from time to time. Seems to me that you successfully implemented see and avoid so no foul. If your knickers are really that twisted then file an airprox and let them sort it out.
Dublipilot: We did not SEE the event so are hardly condoning it or are we able to pass comment on it by taking one irrate persons word.
Lets not jump on the bandwagon handing out judgement when the facts are all one sided.
Happy New Year.
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Vfrpilotwhatever,
Newby Bridge is in Class G airspace. And the Swan Hotel is not marked on any of my charts as an active helipad. Therefore you and the other pilot were operating on the 'see and avoid' principle. Looks like it was sorted out at the time, but obviously not to your high standards of airmanship. . Bose-X has got it spot on about rotary pilots.
If I posted a thread on Prune every time some twit had annoyed me over the last 20 years of flying in the UK, I'd have enough material to write a book! Volume 2 would be about rotary pilots who don’t care about rotor downwash..
What if I admitted to it? What are you going to do about it?
Chill out and enjoy the freedom of Class G airspace while you can. File an Airprox or MOR if you are that concerned by it, and see where it goes. Can’t see the CAA or Airprox board doing much about it, especially as you don’t know what the other aircraft was. Sounds like you need to come down south on a busy weekend to see how ‘See and Avoid’ works.
Dublinpilot,
Who said it was unsafe??? And who said we were condoning it? My point is that we shouldn’t be using Pprune as a 'dobbing-in' forum for those who annoy us when airborne.
Have a nice day
Newby Bridge is in Class G airspace. And the Swan Hotel is not marked on any of my charts as an active helipad. Therefore you and the other pilot were operating on the 'see and avoid' principle. Looks like it was sorted out at the time, but obviously not to your high standards of airmanship. . Bose-X has got it spot on about rotary pilots.
If I posted a thread on Prune every time some twit had annoyed me over the last 20 years of flying in the UK, I'd have enough material to write a book! Volume 2 would be about rotary pilots who don’t care about rotor downwash..
What if I admitted to it? What are you going to do about it?
Chill out and enjoy the freedom of Class G airspace while you can. File an Airprox or MOR if you are that concerned by it, and see where it goes. Can’t see the CAA or Airprox board doing much about it, especially as you don’t know what the other aircraft was. Sounds like you need to come down south on a busy weekend to see how ‘See and Avoid’ works.
Dublinpilot,
However as a community, I think we can sometimes be too quick to jump to someone’s defence and say something is not illegal, when clearly it is not safe, and does nothing for the cause of GA freedoms. We should not be condoning unsafe flying.
Have a nice day
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CIM,
If it was indeed you, then sir you are a top class Wa**er, and a stranger to the truth, your height was as described, so I suspect you are not realy the one.
But if you insist you are, then post a PM to me with your address I ll come and talk to you!
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CIM,
If it was indeed you, then sir you are a top class Wa**er, and a stranger to the truth, your height was as described, so I suspect you are not realy the one.
But if you insist you are, then post a PM to me with your address I ll come and talk to you!
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So what you going to do vfrpb, beat the crap out of him? Will it make you feel better? Will it solve anything?
I bet you argued with your fists as a kid as well?
In a test of Professional aviators carried out a few years ago not one of them could correctly identify the height of a low flying aircraft, but a guess rotary pilots have super natural senses or built in radar alitimeters.....
Jut to cap off, all of the rotary pilots I learnt with all thought it was the macho thing to talk about there low flying exploits and how carrying wire cutters was more essential than a map. I guess it is why I spend more time being a "lesser mortal" these days than "owning" the skies! No one is perfect.
Or to quote: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Learn to live in a lesson than perfect world mate or find a new hobby.
I bet you argued with your fists as a kid as well?
In a test of Professional aviators carried out a few years ago not one of them could correctly identify the height of a low flying aircraft, but a guess rotary pilots have super natural senses or built in radar alitimeters.....
Jut to cap off, all of the rotary pilots I learnt with all thought it was the macho thing to talk about there low flying exploits and how carrying wire cutters was more essential than a map. I guess it is why I spend more time being a "lesser mortal" these days than "owning" the skies! No one is perfect.
Or to quote: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Learn to live in a lesson than perfect world mate or find a new hobby.
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Just found this thread and so have had the benefit of reading it all through dron start to finish in one go and I have to say I am left feeling slightly saddened.
OK, so maybe Vfrpilotpb is over reacting - but as none of us was actually there at the time, we can't know just how sphincter-clenching an event it was. Come on, can you honestly say that you have never been in a situation, aviation related or otherwise, where your intsant reaction hasn't been 'kill!', I know I have, although I like to think I have mellowed a little over the years
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What saddens me most, though, is the cavalier attitude to an apparent illegality. Now, forgive me, it is a long time since I sat Air Law but I believe it is illegal to fly closer than 500ft to any person or man made object unless landing or taking off. Actually, I am not really that bothered about any illegality per se but no one seems to have commented on the reactions of any non-aviators on the ground. There are many people out there who do not like us aviators, for whatever reason, and this is exactly the sort of thing that they will latch onto in their campaign to have us all grounded.
I'm all for having fun and I may well have bent a few rules in my time
so my purpose here is not necessarily to condemn this pilot but just to wonder how so many other pilots can readily overlook the threat to their hobby.
By the way, don't bother posting insults in reply, I frankly don't care. If you want a reasoned debate then that's fine.
Happy New Year and safe, fun flying.
Aiglon
I forgot to add a point in my post above and it seems I am too late to edit it - I still haven't got used to all the quirks of these forums yet
The point was, this aircraft seems to have had no markings, or at least none that anyone couls see. Most, if not all, the aircraft I have seen have had markings of some kind, including - I suspect - military trainers.
Aiglon
I forgot to add a point in my post above and it seems I am too late to edit it - I still haven't got used to all the quirks of these forums yet
The point was, this aircraft seems to have had no markings, or at least none that anyone couls see. Most, if not all, the aircraft I have seen have had markings of some kind, including - I suspect - military trainers.
Aiglon
OK, so maybe Vfrpilotpb is over reacting - but as none of us was actually there at the time, we can't know just how sphincter-clenching an event it was. Come on, can you honestly say that you have never been in a situation, aviation related or otherwise, where your intsant reaction hasn't been 'kill!', I know I have, although I like to think I have mellowed a little over the years
.What saddens me most, though, is the cavalier attitude to an apparent illegality. Now, forgive me, it is a long time since I sat Air Law but I believe it is illegal to fly closer than 500ft to any person or man made object unless landing or taking off. Actually, I am not really that bothered about any illegality per se but no one seems to have commented on the reactions of any non-aviators on the ground. There are many people out there who do not like us aviators, for whatever reason, and this is exactly the sort of thing that they will latch onto in their campaign to have us all grounded.
I'm all for having fun and I may well have bent a few rules in my time
so my purpose here is not necessarily to condemn this pilot but just to wonder how so many other pilots can readily overlook the threat to their hobby.By the way, don't bother posting insults in reply, I frankly don't care. If you want a reasoned debate then that's fine.
Happy New Year and safe, fun flying.
Aiglon
I forgot to add a point in my post above and it seems I am too late to edit it - I still haven't got used to all the quirks of these forums yet
The point was, this aircraft seems to have had no markings, or at least none that anyone couls see. Most, if not all, the aircraft I have seen have had markings of some kind, including - I suspect - military trainers.
Aiglon
I forgot to add a point in my post above and it seems I am too late to edit it - I still haven't got used to all the quirks of these forums yet
The point was, this aircraft seems to have had no markings, or at least none that anyone couls see. Most, if not all, the aircraft I have seen have had markings of some kind, including - I suspect - military trainers.
Aiglon