VFR pilot making an ILS
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Incidentally I gather some people go to Calais to do ILS practice; it is said to be cheaper than anywhere in the UK. I asked whether an IR is needed (IFR in France needs an IR) but apparently in VMC anybody can do it.
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niknak
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I can't help feeling that some of the comments in this post could easily encourage an inexperienced PPL to try something that they're not quite ready for.
From ATC's viewpoint, in the UK, there's no such thing as a "practice" or a "VFR" ILS approach, you're either vectored by radar under a Radar Advisory or a Radar Information Service, or you carry out the approach procedurally, and we expect the pilot in command to ensure that they are qualified and competent to deal with any subsequent situation that they may find themselves in, (but if not we'll always help you out
).
At our place, we treat all aircraft doing instrument approaches as such, and you don't get charged anything extra for the privilage!
From ATC's viewpoint, in the UK, there's no such thing as a "practice" or a "VFR" ILS approach, you're either vectored by radar under a Radar Advisory or a Radar Information Service, or you carry out the approach procedurally, and we expect the pilot in command to ensure that they are qualified and competent to deal with any subsequent situation that they may find themselves in, (but if not we'll always help you out
).At our place, we treat all aircraft doing instrument approaches as such, and you don't get charged anything extra for the privilage!
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WCollins,
That is one beer less you get from me.
Be nice to Niknak, he has to put up with the likes of me in the next few weeks!!
Look at it from their perspective, you get the ILS thrown in for free at no extra charge over the visual approach.
FD
PS: Bose-x we'll sort summit out!
That is one beer less you get from me.
Be nice to Niknak, he has to put up with the likes of me in the next few weeks!!
Look at it from their perspective, you get the ILS thrown in for free at no extra charge over the visual approach.
FD
PS: Bose-x we'll sort summit out!
niknak
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From: UK
W.C.
Just for the record, the vast majority of regional airports landing fees are split roughly 50/50 into a navigational and a landing charge, regardless of whether you arrive IFR or VFR.
If you wanted to make a number of IFR approaches, but only one landing, you'd only be charged the navigational fee for each approach.
Usually this is additionally subsidised by a significant discount for training (between 50 and 75% at ours and most other places).
We also give a discount of up to 50% for VFR aircraft who are genuine PPL instructional trainers, (and a few who tell untruths and get away with it
).
On top of that, I've been told (but not verified it) that we offer a cheaper G/A landing fee than most regional airports.
Little wonder that there's no money to replace the ILS, rebuild the taxiways, repair the runways or keep me in doughnuts on a daily basis.......
Just for the record, the vast majority of regional airports landing fees are split roughly 50/50 into a navigational and a landing charge, regardless of whether you arrive IFR or VFR.
If you wanted to make a number of IFR approaches, but only one landing, you'd only be charged the navigational fee for each approach.
Usually this is additionally subsidised by a significant discount for training (between 50 and 75% at ours and most other places).
We also give a discount of up to 50% for VFR aircraft who are genuine PPL instructional trainers, (and a few who tell untruths and get away with it
).On top of that, I've been told (but not verified it) that we offer a cheaper G/A landing fee than most regional airports.
Little wonder that there's no money to replace the ILS, rebuild the taxiways, repair the runways or keep me in doughnuts on a daily basis.......
Sub Judice Angel Lovegod
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niknak
I was only pulling your leg (as you know). You are quite right that you are no worse than EMA, LBA, ADN, CDF and other comparable megaports. On the other hand, your traffic density is a lot lighter than many regional airports (or seems to be whenever I am there) and you might increase your income for no cost if you lowered the GA rates. I use you if I am going to the county town, but always use the less well equipped GA fields if I am going elsewhere in the region.
Respect to Inverness, though, who have very low VFR fees, and what seems like a fair bit more commercial traffic than you.
W
I was only pulling your leg (as you know). You are quite right that you are no worse than EMA, LBA, ADN, CDF and other comparable megaports. On the other hand, your traffic density is a lot lighter than many regional airports (or seems to be whenever I am there) and you might increase your income for no cost if you lowered the GA rates. I use you if I am going to the county town, but always use the less well equipped GA fields if I am going elsewhere in the region.
Respect to Inverness, though, who have very low VFR fees, and what seems like a fair bit more commercial traffic than you.
W
