Logging AEF flying
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Logging AEF flying
Sorry, I sort of asked this before, but something BEagle said suggested that he or others might know the answer...
I frequently take cadets flying at 6AEF (as part of my 'military duties' as a VR(T) officer), and usually get a flight myself. I have a PPL/IMC. The plane is a Grob G115E Tutor - I don't have the required differences training for VP propeller.
What can I log:
(a) if the 'instructor' is not a civilian QFI;
(b) if the 'instructor' <i>is</i> a civilian QFI?
My current understanding is:
(a) SNY only;
(b) as the flight is not 'training for the issue of a rating or licence', still SNY only, but some have suggested P/UT.
Tim
I frequently take cadets flying at 6AEF (as part of my 'military duties' as a VR(T) officer), and usually get a flight myself. I have a PPL/IMC. The plane is a Grob G115E Tutor - I don't have the required differences training for VP propeller.
What can I log:
(a) if the 'instructor' is not a civilian QFI;
(b) if the 'instructor' <i>is</i> a civilian QFI?
My current understanding is:
(a) SNY only;
(b) as the flight is not 'training for the issue of a rating or licence', still SNY only, but some have suggested P/UT.
Tim
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As a PPL Holder and an AEF Staff Cadet I have tried to get a definite answer on this one for a while, and this is what came out last time I asked;
If you sit in the right hand seat, QFI in left, and he also has a Civil FI rating then it can go down as P1/S or P/UT.
Unfortunately it seems that plain AEF flying, i.e. sitting in left hand seat in a slot off of the end of a days flying, is simply Pax time.
I have quite a bit of time on the Tutor, most of which can only go down as pax time.
A.S.I
If you sit in the right hand seat, QFI in left, and he also has a Civil FI rating then it can go down as P1/S or P/UT.
Unfortunately it seems that plain AEF flying, i.e. sitting in left hand seat in a slot off of the end of a days flying, is simply Pax time.
I have quite a bit of time on the Tutor, most of which can only go down as pax time.
A.S.I
Last edited by Another St Ivian; 12th October 2003 at 00:15.
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If he has a civilian FI or CRI rating then there's no problem with logging it as dual (P u/t). Indeed, with his agreement, the flight could be the 1 hr dual required for revalidation, or differences training for the wobbly prop - a signture from the FI would then be needed in your log book.
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Hmm interesting. I remember the last post. But in specific answer to your question:
I was lucky enough to get over 100hrs in an Air Squadron in my uni days. Obviously I only flew with mil instructors, on wobbly prop a/c. But the CAA accepted all my logged hours and they add up to my total time.
So, in situation (a) if you & your mil instructor agree you are receiving training, one could clearly argue you could put the time down as p u/t.
I was lucky enough to get over 100hrs in an Air Squadron in my uni days. Obviously I only flew with mil instructors, on wobbly prop a/c. But the CAA accepted all my logged hours and they add up to my total time.
So, in situation (a) if you & your mil instructor agree you are receiving training, one could clearly argue you could put the time down as p u/t.
