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Asturias56 17th June 2023 12:45

Not as good as Air New Zealand but you have to try and get people to watch them

Cartoon characters pointing at cartoon doors etc really are a bit.... 1980's?

redsnail 17th June 2023 13:39

Yeah, gets the message across without being too flippant or silly.
My only criticism is the use of "do not inflate your life jacket". We've moved on from using negatives in safety critical messages. It should be "once outside, inflate your life jacket".
Also, so pleased to see that BA have finally ditched the loose bow tie life jackets to a clip and tighten type.

Peter47 18th June 2023 07:01

Five minutes as far too long for a safety video - it will be ok the first time but imagine watching it for the sixth time! Will you be paying attention? Personally I prefer the old fashioned manual safety brief - gets all the info over in a minute, but them I'm old fashioned, and they are rarely needed now that we have small screens every third row in an airbus.

An interesting question not just related to the BA safety briefing but generally is how many passengers don't speak english? Is that a problem? Could you have videos in different languages where you have seat back videos?

wiggy 18th June 2023 07:03

Yet another BA celeb heavy safety brief that goes on forever because there's much padding...

TBH I can see it being junked a lot of the time in favour of a manual demo when taxi time is short (e.g. for T5 departures > 09R)

Asturias56 18th June 2023 08:37

the idea of a "short " taxi at LHR is new one onto me - sometimes I could be halfway through Lord of the Rings in the time it takes to line up

Expatrick 18th June 2023 08:41


Originally Posted by redsnail (Post 11452498)
Yeah, gets the message across without being too flippant or silly.
My only criticism is the use of "do not inflate your life jacket". We've moved on from using negatives in safety critical messages. It should be "once outside, inflate your life jacket".
Also, so pleased to see that BA have finally ditched the loose bow tie life jackets to a clip and tighten type.

Please forgive my ignorance but why are negatives no longer used in safety critical messages?

Uplinker 18th June 2023 10:16


Originally Posted by Peter47 (Post 11452801)
.......how many passengers don't speak english? Is that a problem? Could you have videos in different languages where you have seat back videos?

They do; Some "foreign" carriers have the video safety brief in their own language and then English. Also videos showing safety procedures can be followed from the pictures only.

Asturias56 18th June 2023 16:52


Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 11452844)
Please forgive my ignorance but why are negatives no longer used in safety critical messages?


I think the poster was saying that good practice these days is to really on POSITIVE messages only - DO this, DO that

-- people get confused with a mixture of Do's and Don'ts (known as the Boris Syndrome)


Expatrick 18th June 2023 16:57


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11453068)
I think the poster was saying that good practice these days is to really on POSITIVE messages only - DO this, DO that

-- people get confused with a mixture of Do's and Don'ts (known as the Boris Syndrome)

Thank you, although I think you meant Dorries and Don'ts!

Apron Artist 18th June 2023 19:29

Hi all. I wasn't really sure where to make my first post, this thread seemed sort of right. Ish. Long time at Gatters and I find myself with a bit more time on my hands these days so decided to create an account. Hope I can add to discussions and perhaps give a bit of insight into the murky world of ground handling (which these days pretty much covers everything until wheels up).

alserire 18th June 2023 19:35


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11452842)
the idea of a "short " taxi at LHR is new one onto me - sometimes I could be halfway through Lord of the Rings in the time it takes to line up

EI flights from T2, especially in the evening if taking off in a westerly direction from the southern runway, can have very short taxis.

Uplinker 18th June 2023 23:01


Asturias56.....the idea of a "short " taxi at LHR is new one onto me - sometimes I could be halfway through Lord of the Rings in the time it takes to line up.
London Heathrow is a very large and very busy airport, and the runways are each over 2 miles long. So if you have to taxi from one end of the airport to the other before lining up, owing to the wind direction, it might take a while.......

ZFT 19th June 2023 04:57


Originally Posted by redsnail (Post 11452498)
Yeah, gets the message across without being too flippant or silly.
My only criticism is the use of "do not inflate your life jacket". We've moved on from using negatives in safety critical messages. It should be "once outside, inflate your life jacket".
Also, so pleased to see that BA have finally ditched the loose bow tie life jackets to a clip and tighten type.

Seems a waste of 80000 or so life jackets across their fleet at some not insignificant cost.

Asturias56 19th June 2023 07:38


Originally Posted by Uplinker (Post 11453205)
London Heathrow is a very large and very busy airport, and the runways are each over 2 miles long. So if you have to taxi from one end of the airport to the other before lining up, owing to the wind direction, it might take a while.......

and on Flight radar you can see them all in a line, and others waiting to cross or join before you even push back. Not as bad as JFK but .............

wiggy 19th June 2023 08:16


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11453300)
and on Flight radar you can see them all in a line, and others waiting to cross or join before you even push back. Not as bad as JFK but .............

Generally yes you are right, it's a 15 to 25 minute taxi out, plus minus, at LHR, regardless of runway in use.

However on some occasions T5 to 09R, especially outside of the peak periods, can present a challenge when it comes to cabin preparations and overly long cabin safety videos are not exactly helpful...






S.o.S. 19th June 2023 10:45

I recall a JFK departure that, from Push to turning onto the Active was 45 minutes.

Also, Welcome to Apron Artist, I presume that your title means that you have been working on airport aprons? Alternatively, a Chef. But you have climbed the stairs and joined the quiet and sublime cabin of PPRuNe. I'm afraid that you have to start off in Y, as do we all. :}

Musket90 19th June 2023 18:38

Gatwick can often take just as long, if not longer than Heathrow from push back to take-off during busy periods with single mixed mode runway.

Apron Artist 19th June 2023 20:05


Originally Posted by S.o.S. (Post 11453390)
I recall a JFK departure that, from Push to turning onto the Active was 45 minutes.

Also, Welcome to Apron Artist, I presume that your title means that you have been working on airport aprons? Alternatively, a Chef. But you have climbed the stairs and joined the quiet and sublime cabin of PPRuNe. I'm afraid that you have to start off in Y, as do we all. :}

Thank you S.o.S. - yes, I prefer the term Apron Artist to Ramp Rat, which is where I started at Gatwick as a "temporary" job before hopefully returning to a financial services job - which is what I had done for the preceding 25 years. That was 2011. After a couple of months, despite the miserly wages and waking up in pain every day, I found that that I absolutely loved the buzz of it all.

togsdragracing 20th June 2023 12:39


Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 11452844)
Please forgive my ignorance but why are negatives no longer used in safety critical messages?

It can backfire. I forget the year and the country but some years ago there was an anti-smoking campaign, aimed at children, whose tag line was "Never say yes to a cigarette". Research then discovered that the words which stuck in the kids' minds were those at the end of the tag line, i.e. "Yes to a cigarette". The tag was subsequently changed to "Always say no to a cigarette"

PAXboy 20th June 2023 19:41

NORSE Atlantic. Am I correct in thinking that they do not interline with anyone? Genuinely Asking for a friend.

S.o.S. 13th July 2023 08:51

Airport drop-off charges for drivers have increased by almost a third at UK airports over the past year, according to the RAC.
BBC web
Stansted airport remains the most expensive place to drop off at £7 for 15 minutes.

However, six of the busiest UK airports have frozen drop-off charges since last summer. Alongside Stansted:
  • London's Heathrow charges a flat £5 with no time limit
  • London's Gatwick charges £5 for 10 minutes
  • Manchester airport costs £5 for 5 minutes
  • London Luton charges £5 for 10 minutes
  • Edinburgh costs £4 for 10 minutes.
Three airports offer free-drop off outside the departure terminal. These are Cardiff, London City and Inverness.

PAXboy 17th July 2023 18:37

Not to mention that hotels close to airports have racked up their charges! Also found that Premier Inn next to LPL now charges for their car park, even for those that have paid to stay there. The usual threats on the signboard if you don't pay as the ANPR sees all. We booked there when visiting my Niece in Liverpool as it was cheaper than staying closer into town, Whilst the car park charges did not swing the balance they were unwelcome.


PAXboy 7th August 2023 16:09

I saw this and thought it interesting. An American Airlines Captain drawing a line. Scroll down to find the audio, although some excerpts are in the text:
An American Airlines Captain

S.o.S. 25th August 2023 19:12

British Airways to require photo ID for domestic flights in policy change

Airline falls into line with major competitors and requires one form of identification from 1st September.

Independent


Asturias56 28th August 2023 09:48

I have a grudging memory of having to show ID on some internal BA flights for years - Always carry my passport as you never know whee you might be diverted to...............

PAXboy 30th August 2023 15:12

Princess Juliana International Airport - St. Maarten

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....011057bf02.jpg
SXM car park

Helol 30th August 2023 15:26


Originally Posted by PAXboy (Post 11494266)
Princess Juliana International Airport - St. Maarten
SXM car park

Luxembourg, my home for 11+ years has a 'kiss and fly' car park, whereby 15 minutes of free parking is provided directly in front of the terminal. For those of you familiar with Findel know it really is in front of the terminal, ideal for dropping off pax etc.

PAXboy 2nd October 2023 15:26

Here is a very misleading headline, even though the correct information is given in the article.


No passport required as departures from Singapore airport set for 'seamless' travel from 2024

Biometric data, taken from fingerprint scans and facial recognition technology, will replace travel documents and other physical items, such as passports.
Wednesday 20 September 2023 14:50, UK
Sky News article

They key part is:-

The changes will allow people to depart the airport without needing to "repeatedly present their travel documents".
Which is 100% different but the modern media just can't seem to get even the basics right. I suspect they did not read the PR release before publishing.

Helol 2nd October 2023 18:33

Hubby paid the £5 when he dropped me off at the Virgin UC entrance, which is just prior to the slip road into T3 departures. I am not sure if the charge actually applied - can anyone confirm?

PAXboy 3rd October 2023 13:35

As far as I know, the ANPR cameras are on the 'set down' lanes only. This means that the fee will not have been deducted and your Hubby's account will be in credit. The credit is valid for 365 days but will then expire. If you check the account, I think that, if you booked for T3 then the credit is only valid at T3.

PAXboy 4th October 2023 19:06

This is a Rumour network so ...
SAS Will Join SkyTeam Alliance in Ownership Shakeup

No time set for leaving ...

After filing for bankruptcy last year, the Copenhagen-based airline announced it found some new owners: A U.S. investment firm, the Danish government, and … Air France-KLM. In doing so, it'll pull SAS into the SkyTeam alliance along with Delta, Korean Air, Virgin Atlantic, and other carriers, the airline confirmed.

There's no clear timeline for SAS's exit from the massive Star Alliance, though it won't happen immediately – the airline's news release says only that it will “eventually join” SkyTeam. Plus, the entire deal is contingent on a slew of regulatory approvals to move ahead.

PAXboy 26th October 2023 18:11

From Sky News website

Air fares are set to increase further as the UK aviation authority has upped the costs airline pay to fund air traffic control.

Each plane will have to pay an additional £17 a journey after the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) increased the contribution from £47 to £64 per aircraft.

It follows hundreds of flight cancellations and long delays in August as the National Air Traffic Services (NATS) reported a "technical issue" which affected its flight planning system. An independent review into the events is taking place.
Another chicken comes home to roost. If you consistently underfund a critical computer system, failing to take the plunge to upgrade to new software - it will fail and (usually) horribly.

What is irritating about this is - it appears - that the fee increase is just to pay off the airlines. At some ppoint they are going to have to fix the problem...

S.o.S. 15th November 2023 22:38

We have had several discussions about Passports and automatic gates. This programme told me some things about passports and the process that I did not know. An enjoyable hour.
BBC 1
The Secret Genius of Modern Life
Series 2
Episode 1. Passport


PAXboy 16th January 2024 20:22

I have received an email from Avis, giving the news that:

We’re writing to let you know about some important changes we’re making to Avis Preferred.
and

The good news is we’re making Avis Preferred more rewarding than it’s ever been.
Oh yes, I know what comes next! This is a well worn path for 'loyal' customers...

Asturias56 17th January 2024 08:24

what comes next?

PAXboy 17th January 2024 12:07

Ther benefits to loyal customers will be reduced. I have never seen a loyalty scheme where the benefits improve to the end user.

Asturias56 17th January 2024 12:18

agreed but I never saw much from Avis anyway................

PAXboy 17th January 2024 17:08

True. I have usually found excellent service and they respond well to a breakdown - but their reward vouchers usually arrive after the main holiday and expire before the next main holiday.

Mr Mac 17th January 2024 18:43

Paxboy
Emirates used to have an excellent credit card backed by MBNA in UK which was good for FFM but alas no longer. I still get more than my fair share due to travel for work but it did make for good upgrades.

Cheers
Mr Mac

S.o.S. 18th January 2024 09:21

Just heard from Miles & More ...

What began as a wish for transparency and simplicity, came into reality on 1 January 2024 with the new status programme.
Whoop Di Doo.


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