Snas and Baggers
You are both probably right, but just, if that makes sense.
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BA's offer to non-union members is quite specific as to membership status and QUITE specific that no members of BASSA would be asked or allowed to sign the agreement outside of their union's agreement.
No coercion involved. |
You do not say if you are cc or flight deck, but the rules applies to ALL, not most ! Get yourself a copy of Flight Crew Orders, or better still the CAA ANO's, and then see if your colleagues are aware of the requirements. I sat in Club a while ago whilst taxying out on an ATL flight listening to a cc dscribe how they had diverted to Stansted yesterday on a back to back, got transport back to LGW by late pm but still checked in for 9 am check in. By my calculation they were way out of duty hours, but their topic was the extra money involved made it all worth while. With the BA system I doubt the Captain was aware of his cc hours. Apologies for the thread drift as this isn't even related to commuting, let alone the dispute, but I will not sit back while someone implies that we are flying illegally. |
Recently on the PPRuNe Cabin Crew forum I read that the following had been posted on the BASSA website:
“Unite have also instructed our legal Counsel to progress and submit our application to The European Court of Human Rights for the removal of staff travel as a result of taking part in lawful industrial action. Together with our lawyers we are working through the paperwork and other details you have assisted in providing in response to our recent email, and in respect to the other claims this issue raises. We hope to be able to provide you with a further update very soon.” Reading that it appears that BASSA is NOT pursuing legal action in the UK courts. And the posts by many BASSA supporters (a.o., Ava Hannah) indicates that in the absence of relevant UK law on the subject matter, they are relying on the ECHR to regain ST.But on another forum on BA matters, the following comment was posted: "There are, of course, all sorts of problems in the way of the argument. Not least is the requirement that before you go to the ECtHR (where the respondent is the government, not the employer), you must have exhausted all your domestic remedies. Here, BASSA hasn't even started to invoke domestic legal procedures on this issue. That will take some explaining.” If BASSA were to be honest (an oxymoron), that “further update very soon” will not be a positive one. |
How long is it likely to take for the ECHR to hear this application?
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Do cultish people get the chance to vote in secret postal ballots? |
Litebulbs
OK. No offense intended, but don't you think it's odd ? A few moments reading these threads would serve notice as to the likely response to a posting describing a comfortable lifestyle whilst trying to cause harm to a company and its customers by your self-serving actions.
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A few moments reading these threads would serve notice as to the likely response to a posting describing a comfortable lifestyle whilst trying to cause harm to a company and its customers by your self-serving actions. What amuses me is how any criticism of their actions will automatically be described as an "insult", when insulted is the perfect word to describe the rest of BA's employees who have made sacrifices to aid the company, yet get called "scabs" - and much worse - for doing so. Forgive me Litebulbs if I can't take your position seriously. I simply find that the BASSA diehards are quick to blame everyone for ruining their strike, and point blank refuse to accept that not only was industrial action unnecessary, but that their actions have threatened the jobs of thousands of other employees who don't think it is unreasonable to ask a senior member of staff to get off their arses and do a bit more work. Perhaps it dismays you that so many people are against Unite's actions, but in reality many of the people who disagree are members of the trade union movement and are not against Unite, but purely against the amateurs that run BASSA so badly. |
Originally Posted by Diplome
(Post 5787597)
BA's offer to non-union members is quite specific as to membership status and QUITE specific that no members of BASSA would be asked or allowed to sign the agreement outside of their union's agreement.
No coercion involved. |
Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic
(Post 5787863)
OK. No offense intended, but don't you think it's odd ? A few moments reading these threads would serve notice as to the likely response to a posting describing a comfortable lifestyle whilst trying to cause harm to a company and its customers by your self-serving actions.
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Originally Posted by ChicoG
(Post 5787786)
I prefer to liken BASSA to Iranian democracy. You can vote how you like, and many of the brainwashed will vote for those in power. But if you vote against, your life will be made a misery.
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Kappa,
I agree that it is strange that it appears that the issue of ST, will be taken to the ECHR in the first instance. |
Litebulbs
You asked
So what would a BASSA member have to do, if they wanted to sign the contract on offer? |
So what would a BASSA member have to do, if they wanted to sign the contract on offer? BASSA reps could do with being remined what "rep" is short for after all. |
Colonel White
I imagine that the collective bargaining rights of Unite/BASSA is an express term in current contracts. I would imagine that this would not be so in any new contract offered. So why would you need to leave BASSA to sign a new contract?
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Originally Posted by Snas
(Post 5788084)
They need only tell their reps, in suffecient numbers, by ballot or other means.
BASSA reps could do with being remined what "rep" is short for after all. |
It would be very interesting, if elections were due before the next round of balloting. But then others would have to step up. From the comments on this site and my own conversations I haven’t before encountered people who’s strength of views are only matched by their ignorance of the facts. It’s this that leads people to start using unfortunate and unhelpful comparisons with cults perhaps? The repeated statements of facts that we all know have been disproved time and again is a little weird to say the least? There seems to be very little desire to make an informed decision using information more than one source, one seems to be enough for some apparently! I have no confidence that BASSA is going to improve anytime soon, and neither did my partner, which is why she left a while back, and very happy about that choice she is too. |
Snas
How do you think that BASSA managed to convince the workforce that your suggested facts are not what they seem? Is it the SCCM doing this on flights? A couple of mass meetings that you have to drive to, is not a realistic delivery mechanism for the pro BASSA position.
As to your partners choice to leave, do you accept that that makes the pro strikers position stronger? |
Why don't you write to Mr Woodley and Simpson and share your view? |
Litebulbs
How do you reconcile the views of BASSA militants like MissM, Ava and WWW that it was BA that did not negotiate in good faith despite the ruling of a court case and the video of the meeting where the rank and file voted to not negotiate? I would prefer a direct answer rather than the usual tactic of responding to a question with another question. I ask because of your last response to Snas where you referred to "suggested facts".
Thanks TB |
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