Ryanair chalks up another celebrity turn-down
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Sounds more like a publicity stunt by the airline to me. "Quiet day? Ok, get out there and create a scene with some celebrity, we'll be on the news tonight and all the front pages tomorrow!"
Chrisvj
Yes it was on the news but there is not a quiet day at the FR check-in area it is always buzzing No punn intended!!!, FR do not check-in the pax PSA's do in the FR uniform.
Nineiron i would agree it is a sad state of affairs but sadly this is the direction we are going in, i feel that most would agree with the increased checks on Photo ID and FR policy, and at least it is black & white perhaps a little harse with what types of ID they accept international sudent ID but not a forces ID?????
but that is for another thread. Lets give ryanair a break.
Chrisvj
Yes it was on the news but there is not a quiet day at the FR check-in area it is always buzzing No punn intended!!!, FR do not check-in the pax PSA's do in the FR uniform.
Nineiron i would agree it is a sad state of affairs but sadly this is the direction we are going in, i feel that most would agree with the increased checks on Photo ID and FR policy, and at least it is black & white perhaps a little harse with what types of ID they accept international sudent ID but not a forces ID?????
but that is for another thread. Lets give ryanair a break.
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The Photo ID "for Security reasons" is pure clap-trap. The full service carriers don't see a need for it so why do the low cost carriers? I will tell you. They don't want people making bookings a very low fares and then passing them on to others at a later date. easyJet supposedly had issues in the early days with companies making bookings in the name of a traveller who may or may not actually use the ticket at very cheap rates. If the original pax could not use the flight it could be passed on to someone else at no cost.
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Whatever the reason is, if they ask for it you should give it .... no matter who on earth you are 
In Italy we have to give picture ID even for domestic flights (it has been always like that) and passport for international flights. Some picture IDs are valid to travel inside EU.
... If someone doesn't like to give their own ID to Ryan Air ... easy ... just don't fly with them and the problem is simply solved!
In Italy we have to give picture ID even for domestic flights (it has been always like that) and passport for international flights. Some picture IDs are valid to travel inside EU.
... If someone doesn't like to give their own ID to Ryan Air ... easy ... just don't fly with them and the problem is simply solved!
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Gaza's spot on. The ID requirement has nothing at all to do with security. It's purely and simply to make sure that tickets cannot be transferred to anyone other than the person it was bought for.
This doesn't improve security it just allows Ryanair (and easyJet) to ensure that they bring some extra cash in through change fees.
It infuriates me when people automatically bring up "security" or "9/11" to defend policies which do not make flying any safer.
I've no issue with the airlines enforcing these policies (otherwise people could make a living selling tickets on eBay). But don't claim that the policy somehow improves security.
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This doesn't improve security it just allows Ryanair (and easyJet) to ensure that they bring some extra cash in through change fees.
It infuriates me when people automatically bring up "security" or "9/11" to defend policies which do not make flying any safer.
I've no issue with the airlines enforcing these policies (otherwise people could make a living selling tickets on eBay). But don't claim that the policy somehow improves security.
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Ryanair's policy would be fair enough if we had a legitimate national photo ID. Note everyone has a driving licence, and many that do have a licence won't necessarily have the photocard type. OK, you can use your passport, but you SHOULDN'T have to carry your passport to travel within your own country. As for student ID, well that's just laughable. Anyone could knock out a student card on their computer. They might as well accept my Blockbuster card.
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Thanks for that Rats. neatly put. Whilst I am not bothered about using my passport on an internal journey, I am concerned that I am carrying a valuable document and risking it's theft when I could use a simpler document.
I have just applied for the photocard licence but have heard that they still send you back a piece of paper and that the plastic is not valid without the paper! I'll let you know as it sounds like a horribly British way to do things.
A national photocard would be a much better idea than a plan to ensure that we have not sold the internal ticket to a friend.
Security?? My Rats@rrse!!!
I have just applied for the photocard licence but have heard that they still send you back a piece of paper and that the plastic is not valid without the paper! I'll let you know as it sounds like a horribly British way to do things.
A national photocard would be a much better idea than a plan to ensure that we have not sold the internal ticket to a friend.
Security?? My Rats@rrse!!!
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Hi Paxboy
If you ever have to produce your photocard driving licence for the old bill, you'll need both parts (the paper bit has endorsements etc). But as a proof of identity the plastic bit with photo has always worked for me at banks and such (though I've not tried it with Ryanair).
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If you ever have to produce your photocard driving licence for the old bill, you'll need both parts (the paper bit has endorsements etc). But as a proof of identity the plastic bit with photo has always worked for me at banks and such (though I've not tried it with Ryanair).
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PV
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So what on earth does this Tara Rara Boomdeay do anyway? I know she's some kind of minor celeb, but I've never really known why.
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Not only the 'ol Bill who need the paper bit
Very OT now, but a reminder of how petty some are....
Just to muddy the waters, I went into the post office for something very trivial like a fishing licence (it wasn't but for the life of me I can't remember what it was, apart from the fact I needed some ID). No problem I thought, I'll just take along that nice photo ID. Not so nice lady behind the 1/2" bullet-proff glass refused to accept just the photo ID bit, but insisted parrot like that she needed to see both parts. Since the paper bit had absolutely NO bearing on the transaction at hand, I stood my ground and demanded to speak to the grinder and not the monkey. Out comes Pat the head postmaster, who after vaguely trying to defend this pathetic rule, agreed it was stupid and said he would let it pass this time. So next time, don't forget to slip that 6" long paper bit into your wallet if you are planning on using the photo licence for anything other than scraping the ice off the car on a frosty morning!
Just to muddy the waters, I went into the post office for something very trivial like a fishing licence (it wasn't but for the life of me I can't remember what it was, apart from the fact I needed some ID). No problem I thought, I'll just take along that nice photo ID. Not so nice lady behind the 1/2" bullet-proff glass refused to accept just the photo ID bit, but insisted parrot like that she needed to see both parts. Since the paper bit had absolutely NO bearing on the transaction at hand, I stood my ground and demanded to speak to the grinder and not the monkey. Out comes Pat the head postmaster, who after vaguely trying to defend this pathetic rule, agreed it was stupid and said he would let it pass this time. So next time, don't forget to slip that 6" long paper bit into your wallet if you are planning on using the photo licence for anything other than scraping the ice off the car on a frosty morning!
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The reason that Ryanair requires photo ID in the form of a passport or photo driving licence is that they have been hit very hard by online ticket fraud, commited by criminals using stolen or fraudulantly obtained credit cards to purchase their e-tickets.
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Ryanair chalks up another celebrity turn-down
I guess that the Queen would be refused travel then. Lat time I heard, she does not have a passport or licence, and even if she did get one during the War when driving the ambulances, would she have changed it to show her new address?
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Ah, but the Queen is unlikely to fly Ryanair, even as a cost saving measure. Maybe EasyJet... 
I suspect she is well known to those who run The Queen's Flight to get away without ID. I hope the corgis have been microchipped, though, as one corgi looks much like all the others and who can say if one of them is an Iraqi smart bomb or not
I suspect she is well known to those who run The Queen's Flight to get away without ID. I hope the corgis have been microchipped, though, as one corgi looks much like all the others and who can say if one of them is an Iraqi smart bomb or not
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The Queen shouldn't have too much trouble with Ryanair.
She'll borrow a fiver from one of her aides and use that as her identity confirmation. If there's a still a doubt she'll get a tenner as well.
I would hope though, that in view of her age, she will not be expected to join the race to the aircraft for the best seats. If she does have to run for it and her Ole Man is with her I can imagine a few choice words from him commenting on MOL's parentage.
If things go well with Mum and Dad I can see her eldest son using FR to take his lads to the ski slopes this winter. Either that or a package with Thomson Holidays.
She'll borrow a fiver from one of her aides and use that as her identity confirmation. If there's a still a doubt she'll get a tenner as well.
I would hope though, that in view of her age, she will not be expected to join the race to the aircraft for the best seats. If she does have to run for it and her Ole Man is with her I can imagine a few choice words from him commenting on MOL's parentage.
If things go well with Mum and Dad I can see her eldest son using FR to take his lads to the ski slopes this winter. Either that or a package with Thomson Holidays.
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The reason that Ryanair requires photo ID in the form of a passport or photo driving licence is that they have been hit very hard by online ticket fraud
I'm sure BA etc. have the same fraud problems. For domestic flights, I buy an E-ticket online with credit card, check in at a machine and never see the checkin staff. Why are BA less likely to have the same problems as Ryanair? Answer - they aren't, it's just that they don't stoop so low to make a few quid in the name of security!
Oh, and just in case - I totally agree that however stupid the rule, it should be applied equally to everyone - well done Ryanair for that, at least.
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Methinks FR are looking at carrier liability for migrants entering without papers, which Ireland is enacting soon, for instance...
MOL would certainly not be happy at paying £,000s for a Liberian who paid 1 euro for his ticket!
MOL would certainly not be happy at paying £,000s for a Liberian who paid 1 euro for his ticket!
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Newsweek
BTW, MOL is interviewed on the last page of the June 23 issue of Newsweek. Surprising quote below. I wonder what the data source is...
"We're also the No. 1 customer-service airline in Europe. We're No. 1 for on-time flights, No. 1 for fewest cancellations, No. 1 for fewest lost bags and No. 1 for fewest customer complaints".
Momo
"We're also the No. 1 customer-service airline in Europe. We're No. 1 for on-time flights, No. 1 for fewest cancellations, No. 1 for fewest lost bags and No. 1 for fewest customer complaints".
Momo
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MoL from Newsweek: "We're also the No. 1 customer-service airline in Europe. yadda yadda".
No 1 by who's rating?
No 1 by who's independent assesment?
No 1 by which agreed method?
The man is clever, this sounds like the 'worlds favourite airline' which was peddled so successfully for so many years. If he keeps on saying it and putting it on his web site - it will be difficult to challenge because of the impossibility of making an accurate cross-carrier comparison.
No 1 by who's rating?
No 1 by who's independent assesment?
No 1 by which agreed method?
The man is clever, this sounds like the 'worlds favourite airline' which was peddled so successfully for so many years. If he keeps on saying it and putting it on his web site - it will be difficult to challenge because of the impossibility of making an accurate cross-carrier comparison.
