SLF avoid travel on 737 max
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SLF avoid travel on 737 max
As SLF, how can I best avoid future travel on 737 max?
There are some obvious ways, like book on an airline that doesn't have 737 max. Then could finish up on code share 737 max . Or in the event of overbooking or unserviceability etc, I am asked to travel with another operator who does have 737 max. Will an insurance company provide a policy that guarantees no financial loss if I have to refuse unplanned 737 max travel?
And will life insurance companies ask if I intend to travel on a 737 max when determining my premium? Will travel agents charge more if they guarantee no 737 max travel and will travel insurance companies then charge less?
All of this assumes that this grandfather will be permitted to fly again.
There are some obvious ways, like book on an airline that doesn't have 737 max. Then could finish up on code share 737 max . Or in the event of overbooking or unserviceability etc, I am asked to travel with another operator who does have 737 max. Will an insurance company provide a policy that guarantees no financial loss if I have to refuse unplanned 737 max travel?
And will life insurance companies ask if I intend to travel on a 737 max when determining my premium? Will travel agents charge more if they guarantee no 737 max travel and will travel insurance companies then charge less?
All of this assumes that this grandfather will be permitted to fly again.
Last edited by autoflight; 20th December 2019 at 19:41.
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From: Auckland, NZ
I'll be avoiding anyone who flies the plane and, if that isn't possible, then checking routes to see if they fly the Max on it. That doesn't help when/if the Max is switched on to the route at late notice; and I'll have to cross that bridge when I get to it. After a good three/four years of trouble-free service I'll change my mind - but wild horses wouldn't drag me onto one in the near future!
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From: Gold coast
Hi
The max will fly again and at least you will know its safe, there could be other manufacturers planes flying around with yet to be known issues so there is no guarantee in any plane or even life for that matter,you have a much greater chance of being killed some other way. If you do refuse to fly the max simply check what equipment they use when booking
Wayne
The max will fly again and at least you will know its safe, there could be other manufacturers planes flying around with yet to be known issues so there is no guarantee in any plane or even life for that matter,you have a much greater chance of being killed some other way. If you do refuse to fly the max simply check what equipment they use when booking
Wayne
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From: Auckland, NZ
That is part of the problem though - as SLF I really don't trust the FAA on this matter. If it was given a full top to bottom sign-off by EASA or an independent regulator, as if it were an entirely new plane, then I would have more comfort. But FAA have shown themselves to be in Boeing's pocket so I will need experience of lots of them flying around without incident before I will trust it.
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From: Brisvegas
After a good three/four years of trouble-free service I'll change my mind - but wild horses wouldn't drag me onto one in the near future!
sign-off by EASA or an independent regulator
As far as I know all of the regulators are owned and operated by the governments of sovereign states and as such are an instrument of government policy. Separating politics from this is impossible.
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From: Domaine de la Romanee-Conti
Don't worry, the airlines are already taking the necessary steps to ensure that you'll never even know you're flying on it 
https://simpleflying.com/vietjet-boeing-737-max/amp/
https://simpleflying.com/vietjet-boeing-737-max/amp/
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From: Melbourne
I have over 10,000 hours flying the B737. I would fly on a Max in a heartbeat. I would let my family fly on a Max in a heartbeat.
What has been lost in the billions of words that have been written since the Max accidents is that you need 3 simultaneous events;
1. An angle of attack sensor failure
2. An inappropriate ( I’m being sensitive here) response by the flight crew.
3. Flight crew allowing the scenario to develop beyond the point where it was recoverable.
Since the events , every B737 pilot on the planet has been briefed on the failure mode and the correct response.
Most will , if they work for a reputable carrier , have already conducted simulator training.
In short , it won’t happen again.
Whats way more important is choosing which carrier you fly on.
Boeing is in a world of pain but the anxiety that prompts the posters question is panic , pure and simple.
Whether or not the Max is recoverable is debatable . But hysteria has taken over. Very sad.
What has been lost in the billions of words that have been written since the Max accidents is that you need 3 simultaneous events;
1. An angle of attack sensor failure
2. An inappropriate ( I’m being sensitive here) response by the flight crew.
3. Flight crew allowing the scenario to develop beyond the point where it was recoverable.
Since the events , every B737 pilot on the planet has been briefed on the failure mode and the correct response.
Most will , if they work for a reputable carrier , have already conducted simulator training.
In short , it won’t happen again.
Whats way more important is choosing which carrier you fly on.
Boeing is in a world of pain but the anxiety that prompts the posters question is panic , pure and simple.
Whether or not the Max is recoverable is debatable . But hysteria has taken over. Very sad.
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From: Australia
Don't worry, the airlines are already taking the necessary steps to ensure that you'll never even know you're flying on it
https://simpleflying.com/vietjet-boeing-737-max/amp/
https://simpleflying.com/vietjet-boeing-737-max/amp/
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From: Hong Kong
I have over 10,000 hours flying the B737. I would fly on a Max in a heartbeat. I would let my family fly on a Max in a heartbeat.
What has been lost in the billions of words that have been written since the Max accidents is that you need 3 simultaneous events;
1. An angle of attack sensor failure
2. An inappropriate ( I’m being sensitive here) response by the flight crew.
3. Flight crew allowing the scenario to develop beyond the point where it was recoverable.
Since the events , every B737 pilot on the planet has been briefed on the failure mode and the correct response.
Most will , if they work for a reputable carrier , have already conducted simulator training.
In short , it won’t happen again.
Whats way more important is choosing which carrier you fly on.
Boeing is in a world of pain but the anxiety that prompts the posters question is panic , pure and simple.
Whether or not the Max is recoverable is debatable . But hysteria has taken over. Very sad.
What has been lost in the billions of words that have been written since the Max accidents is that you need 3 simultaneous events;
1. An angle of attack sensor failure
2. An inappropriate ( I’m being sensitive here) response by the flight crew.
3. Flight crew allowing the scenario to develop beyond the point where it was recoverable.
Since the events , every B737 pilot on the planet has been briefed on the failure mode and the correct response.
Most will , if they work for a reputable carrier , have already conducted simulator training.
In short , it won’t happen again.
Whats way more important is choosing which carrier you fly on.
Boeing is in a world of pain but the anxiety that prompts the posters question is panic , pure and simple.
Whether or not the Max is recoverable is debatable . But hysteria has taken over. Very sad.
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
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From: TOD
The other worrying issue is the FAA’s lack of competence.
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From: se england
I think its all very well for experienced crew and engineers to comment about the Max but we live in an age of hysterical mass media which often panics politians. Not helped by Boeings dodgy business culture and the FAA becomeing a tool of the industry it reglates,gosh whoever thought that regualtors might be honest or impartial?
But give a dog a bad name these days and it sticks for along time and lets face it the poor old Max is just that -old, it is like derivate number 10 of the stubby little thing I first saw land at LHR in Lufthansa colours close on 50 years ago. the Max seems like a digital version of the Beech 1900 which had about 8 extra aerofoil surfaces to cancel out what were no doubt all kinds of aerdynamic puzzles that arose from turning a little King Air into a mini airliner
But give a dog a bad name these days and it sticks for along time and lets face it the poor old Max is just that -old, it is like derivate number 10 of the stubby little thing I first saw land at LHR in Lufthansa colours close on 50 years ago. the Max seems like a digital version of the Beech 1900 which had about 8 extra aerofoil surfaces to cancel out what were no doubt all kinds of aerdynamic puzzles that arose from turning a little King Air into a mini airliner
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From: CHARLOTTE, NC
Not that any paintwork is visibly by SLF from the boarding tunnels and in any event by that time it is too late as your baggage is already loaded and refusing to follow it would cause all sorts of issues. Much better to check at the time of booking.
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From: Southern Sun
I would let my family fly on a Max in a heartbeat.
What has been lost in the billions of words that have been written since the Max accidents is that you need 3 simultaneous events;
1. An angle of attack sensor failure
2. An inappropriate ( I’m being sensitive here) response by the flight crew.
3. Flight crew allowing the scenario to develop beyond the point where it was recoverable.
Since the events , every B737 pilot on the planet has been briefed on the failure mode and the correct response.
Most will , if they work for a reputable carrier , have already conducted simulator training.
In short , it won’t happen again.
Whats way more important is choosing which carrier you fly on.
Boeing is in a world of pain but the anxiety that prompts the posters question is panic , pure and simple.
Whether or not the Max is recoverable is debatable . But hysteria has taken over. Very sad.
What has been lost in the billions of words that have been written since the Max accidents is that you need 3 simultaneous events;
1. An angle of attack sensor failure
2. An inappropriate ( I’m being sensitive here) response by the flight crew.
3. Flight crew allowing the scenario to develop beyond the point where it was recoverable.
Since the events , every B737 pilot on the planet has been briefed on the failure mode and the correct response.
Most will , if they work for a reputable carrier , have already conducted simulator training.
In short , it won’t happen again.
Whats way more important is choosing which carrier you fly on.
Boeing is in a world of pain but the anxiety that prompts the posters question is panic , pure and simple.
Whether or not the Max is recoverable is debatable . But hysteria has taken over. Very sad.
Have they checked to see if their motor vehicle is subject to any recalls and if so. have they ensured they have done something about it?
Do they actually have their vehicle regularly serviced according to the manufactures laid down procedures by an approved manufacturers service organisation?
Do the drive their vehicle exactly a laid down by the manufacturer?
Do they fully obey the laws and rules of the road?
When booking an airline ticket is price the primary consideration?
Do they check the world airline accident and incident statistics of airlines chosen to fly with prior to purchasing their ticket?
Does the choice of airline include the airlines accident/incident history?
How do they know whether the quality of the airline training or quality of it's pilots is of a continuous world high standard?
Are they able to fully identify which aircraft they have flown in or will fly in?
What will they do if the airline changes the aircraft type after booking or prior to boarding? And will they know what type has been substituted?
Many more questions should be asked however, if the SLF and others promoting anti Boeing propaganda cannot at least answer all of the above perhaps they require a substantial rethink of their personal safety!
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From: Weltschmerz-By-The-Sea Australia
Anti Boeing propaganda? Seriously? Boeing does a fine job of that without any help.
Also, there is a distinction, both in perception and in law between personally undertaken risk and the undue risk that someone sells you without full disclosure.
Your points about choice of airline are spot-on, but where does a concerned layman go for accurate airline information?
Also, there is a distinction, both in perception and in law between personally undertaken risk and the undue risk that someone sells you without full disclosure.
Your points about choice of airline are spot-on, but where does a concerned layman go for accurate airline information?