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Old 6th Aug 2016, 10:47
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Some people seem to think this is a choice between walking off the plane safely with their stuff and walking off the the plane safely without their stuff. If that is the case then sure I want my stuff. But if it's a case of walking off the plane empty handed or dying I'll walk off the plane with nothing if I have to. My family don't need to know I am alive the moment I get off, I don't need my money or passports or laptop or iPad or kindle or medicines or whatever. Sure it will be a pain, probably a serious pain but I'll be alive. Mind you none of my medicines are for life threatening short term conditions just long term conditions that mean I can probably miss a week without too much damage. I can see other people have a more serious problem in this respect.
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 13:43
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Originally Posted by ExXB
I NEED my insulin. To a slightly lessor extent I NEED my glucose meter. I put these in a small bumbag, with my passport, money, credit cards, phone and other valuables (if I am taking them) which I also need .
Can't see any objection to that.
It's standing there opening overhead lockers to which we take exception.
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 14:59
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So what is acceptable? Or is it the location of the article?
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 15:29
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Never mind putting people in prison for reaching for their bags - how about putting people in prison for stupid comments on PPRuNe?

The only people qualified to comment on this are those who have had a real "evacuation" experience, either inside Aviation, or outside it in potentially dangerous industries.

Until you have had such an experience, you have no idea what a couple of hundred people will do when they panic.
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 19:56
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Originally Posted by AO
The only people qualified to comment on this are those who have had a real "evacuation" experience, either inside Aviation, or outside it in potentially dangerous industries.
Nope but worked in safety critical industry most of my life; come close to death a few times and spent a lot of time studying and thinking about a/c evac so more qualified to comment than most on here.
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 20:01
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I tend to carry a small back pack of essentials that I stow under my seat. Easy to grab should I have to exit in a hurry. No access to overheads needed.
Is this permissible under the 'no grab luggage' ruling ?
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 21:23
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Originally Posted by ExXB
So what is acceptable? Or is it the location of the article?
I'd say, that your bumbag or a little handbag is OK but holding up an evac whilst you open a locker is not.
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Old 6th Aug 2016, 21:28
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Originally Posted by Mad Monk
I tend to carry a small back pack of essentials that I stow under my seat. Easy to grab should I have to exit in a hurry. No access to overheads needed.
Is this permissible under the 'no grab luggage' ruling ?
My personal opinion is that would be OK but that is only my view.
I could not countenance holding up an evac as you open an overhead locker.
How about some experienced senior cabin crew coming up with comments?
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 06:12
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I'm sorry, but this is exactly the attitude that is bothering so many people: "my belongings are sufficiently valuable that I will delay the evacuation". Your cameras and lenses are replaceable, even if worth $1m; people aren't. Have you considered taking out your own insurance?
I do have gear insurance and it explicitly does not cover travel inside aircraft and trains. it covers on set work accidents.
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 09:26
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I do have gear insurance and it explicitly does not cover travel inside aircraft and trains. it covers on set work accidents.
Your gear is still not more valuable than the life of another passenger.
Have you looked around for insurance which will cover it in transit?
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 09:30
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There's little point having a punishment for an event that is pretty unlikely to be repeated is there ?


As being involved in a crash is a rare enough incident such that fining someone for delaying others while collecting your bags isn't in a practical sense, likely to amend their behaviour of a future event as the chances of them being involved twice is vanishingly rare.


I understand people don't want others to stop to collect bags, but as others have said, its human nature and fining them after the event is pretty pointless.


Best simply stop them from flying again if anything, but a monetary charge is never going to work from a practical sense.
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 10:03
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How about making the seat pocket detachable? tell pax to put any valuables, travel docs, medication etc into the pocket and in the event of an emergency they can detach the pocket and take it with them.
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 10:39
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Genuinely good idea ionagh, but after your average LoCo flight between the UK and the Med, how many seat pockets would remain in situ aboard the aircraft?
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 12:04
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Fine them. Stop them ever flying again.

You'd wonder about the intelligence of some people.
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 14:37
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after your average LoCo flight between the UK and the Med, how many seat pockets would remain in situ aboard the aircraft?
Simples they will charge for them, only free in an emergency.
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 16:32
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Remember that, to avoid smoke, you may have to crawl to the sliderafts.
If you get smoke in your eyes they will snap shut and may refuse to open again.
A lungful of smoke may incapacitate you.
Add aisles obstructed with baggage which forces you up into smoke and I think you can see the difficulty.

In forty years of flying, I never had so much as a little smoke in the cabin and remember, when the outside humidity is high, you may see condensed water vapour coming from the vents. Looks like smoke but isn't.

I don't wish to alarm anyone unduly but, in a situation like the following, baggage is not important:






Keep flying; my pension needs you
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Never mind putting people in prison for reaching for their bags - how about putting people in prison for stupid comments on PPRuNe?

The only people qualified to comment on this are those who have had a real "evacuation" experience, either inside Aviation, or outside it in potentially dangerous industries.

Until you have had such an experience, you have no idea what a couple of hundred people will do when they panic.
the arrogance and intolerance of some people on this forum is breathtaking.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 10:21
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the arrogance and intolerance of some people on this forum is breath taking.
Yep......hear, hear to that !!!!
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 11:33
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Your gear is still not more valuable than the life of another passenger.
Are you sure about that? The insurance pay-out for a human life can be remarkably low.

A couple of comments up-thread have hit the nail on the head; people change their behaviour in response to incentives, not nebulous threats such as 'you might be arrested if you take your luggage' or vague hand-wavy mumbling about Warsaw Conventions and compensation for lost property.

Stating that passengers will unquestioningly receive money-in-the-hand as soon as reaching the processing facility after an incident should encourage compliance. And the money has to be serious; in the many thousands of dollars. Take the cost of some of the proposed measures ( locking overhead bins etc ), divide by the number of evacuees per year and you'll have an idea of what level is required.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 14:35
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Are you sure about that? The insurance pay-out for a human life can be remarkably low.
OK, little scenario:
Man A is last to leave with his large trolley bag.
Right behind him, Man B dies of smoke inhallation.
Man C, father of Man B is a powerful and rather ruthless gangster.

What price watching yer six for the rest of your life?
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