How about a fine/prison for taking luggage down the slide?
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Thanks for posting PF but, the overpaid marketing child who thought that one up fails on so many levels. The first is that, anyone using a hearing aid - will not hear a single word of the voice, as the music will swamp the device. 
So, if my brother, or one of my closest friends, were travelling on the flight - they would have to read the document carefully. Happily, they are both experienced travellers. Whilst I would be able to hear it all, the dammed music is sooooo irritating, that I would want to block my ears.
So, if my brother, or one of my closest friends, were travelling on the flight - they would have to read the document carefully. Happily, they are both experienced travellers. Whilst I would be able to hear it all, the dammed music is sooooo irritating, that I would want to block my ears.
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This is what most of those passengers must be thinking: Apparently this is fun, not serious, and they don't actually mean it because if it was really serious, they'd tell us without the dance.
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Simply impound the carried off luggage long term as "potentially significant to the coming accident investigation" as it was about to be spirited away from the scene. Luggage that remains on board is not under suspicion of being spirited away to confuse the investigation so can be forwarded asap.
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Not a good idea at all...............if I might say so, Wageslave. What happens if there is some thing important in that luggage which the passenger requires? The passenger has just been through a traumatic experience and then you want to make it difficult for him/her to reclaim their luggage which just happens to be their property... Besides which the passenger maybe unwilling to hand it over. A less than sensible idea, I would submit......
For whose benefit, may I ask ???
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The problem wageslave is that the luggage that remains on board is usually reduced to ashes. And we saw that in the BA incident, which didn't have a fire, it took days to reunite the passengers with their belongings.
As the airlines refuse liability of damage or loss of valuables in both carry-on and in the hold they are as much to blame. As I mentioned a few pages back the Warsaw/Montreal regimes do not allow the airlines to refuse liability, but they do. Meaning you need a high priced lawyer just to get compensated for a proven loss that you are entitled to.
Took a couple of flights in last week on a well known, and well respected 'legacy' airline. Safety briefing did not mention not taking carry-on - I listened carefully for it. The 'briefing card' had a picture of a hand holding a briefcase (from the '50s'?) with an X through it. Not sure if too many people would understand what it was suggesting. From that I'd assume a handbag would be OK to take but according to some on this thread that is forbidden.
As the airlines refuse liability of damage or loss of valuables in both carry-on and in the hold they are as much to blame. As I mentioned a few pages back the Warsaw/Montreal regimes do not allow the airlines to refuse liability, but they do. Meaning you need a high priced lawyer just to get compensated for a proven loss that you are entitled to.
Took a couple of flights in last week on a well known, and well respected 'legacy' airline. Safety briefing did not mention not taking carry-on - I listened carefully for it. The 'briefing card' had a picture of a hand holding a briefcase (from the '50s'?) with an X through it. Not sure if too many people would understand what it was suggesting. From that I'd assume a handbag would be OK to take but according to some on this thread that is forbidden.
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I can't believe any of you are concerned about "inconvenience" to pax who deliberately and wilfully hazard the lives of fellow travellers by their selfishness.
Arrest the bastards then and charge them with reckless endangerment. A week in a cell and a $5000 fine will give them time to reflect on hazarding other peoples' lives and the furore in the meeja will impress it on others.
Public punishment is the only deterrent until we have locking bins.
Simplest is to do as I said and confiscate the bags as material evidence, a perfectly reasonable stance as they are clearly removing stuff from an investigation scene. Why should they avoid the inconvenience of lost luggage when they risked others' lives to achieve it?
Oh, and post their mugshots and names on the front page of the papers too.
Arrest the bastards then and charge them with reckless endangerment. A week in a cell and a $5000 fine will give them time to reflect on hazarding other peoples' lives and the furore in the meeja will impress it on others.
Public punishment is the only deterrent until we have locking bins.
Simplest is to do as I said and confiscate the bags as material evidence, a perfectly reasonable stance as they are clearly removing stuff from an investigation scene. Why should they avoid the inconvenience of lost luggage when they risked others' lives to achieve it?
Oh, and post their mugshots and names on the front page of the papers too.
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Originally Posted by Wageslave
Simplest is to do as I said and confiscate the bags as material evidence, a perfectly reasonable stance as they are clearly removing stuff from an investigation scene.
Originally Posted by Wageslave
Arrest the bastards then and charge them with reckless endangerment. A week in a cell and a $5000 fine will give them time to reflect on hazarding other peoples' lives and the furore in the meeja will impress it on others. .
Surely it is far more important to reunite the passengers and their baggage with their nearest and dearest. Well if I had been involved any form of accident that is what I would want the transport company, police and other authorities to do for me...... Never mind thinking about putting me in a cell or parting me from my hard eared money.........
Simplest is to do as I said and confiscate the bags as material evidence, a perfectly reasonable stance as they are clearly removing stuff from an investigation scene. Why should they avoid the inconvenience of lost luggage when they risked others' lives to achieve it?
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Wageslave,
You've obviously never been at the scene of an aircraft accident. The very last thing anyone wants is a group of people trying to stop the flow of passengers outside the aircraft. What you are suggesting will simply slow an evacuation at a different point - it may even stop it completely. It has a very serious counter possibility of those same passengers now spending more time on board the aircraft trying to hide their baggage from an airport authority. So instead of them getting off with their baggage they become the very ashes ExXB referred.
Also, if you think public punishment will answer the question for us, why has a similar tactic not worked for murder, rape, theft, etc.? Hell, people know that a child porn conviction will get you shanked in prison, yet people get charged for that every day.
The simple answer is that there is no simple answer. This is a result of the marketing people of the world trying to demonstrate that flying is so low risk that when it becomes extreme risk, people don't know how to react.
Locking bins wont work either as there are too many flow on consequences from that during normal line operations to make it a worthy fix.
You've obviously never been at the scene of an aircraft accident. The very last thing anyone wants is a group of people trying to stop the flow of passengers outside the aircraft. What you are suggesting will simply slow an evacuation at a different point - it may even stop it completely. It has a very serious counter possibility of those same passengers now spending more time on board the aircraft trying to hide their baggage from an airport authority. So instead of them getting off with their baggage they become the very ashes ExXB referred.
Also, if you think public punishment will answer the question for us, why has a similar tactic not worked for murder, rape, theft, etc.? Hell, people know that a child porn conviction will get you shanked in prison, yet people get charged for that every day.
The simple answer is that there is no simple answer. This is a result of the marketing people of the world trying to demonstrate that flying is so low risk that when it becomes extreme risk, people don't know how to react.
Locking bins wont work either as there are too many flow on consequences from that during normal line operations to make it a worthy fix.
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Is "taking the bags with you" a really new phenomenon or we are just being aware because of the availability or easy recording?
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The problems with punitive actions after an evacuation are manyfold. Someone, presumably with the airline, would have to make positive the identification of the offenders and record the violation.
Any subsequent international legal action simply wouldn't work.
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The problems of locking lockers has been answered much earlier in this thread and in previous threads on this identical topic.
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OK, let me throw out this idea . . .
In an emergency, leave luggage in the overhead bin. (Phase in electric locks on the bin doors that stay locked in an emergency.)
Let the passenger take the personal item under the seat in an emergency. It's probably soft, small, can contain the passport and other important documents, money. That relieves the passport concern. Near zero time added to evacuation.
In an emergency, leave luggage in the overhead bin. (Phase in electric locks on the bin doors that stay locked in an emergency.)
Let the passenger take the personal item under the seat in an emergency. It's probably soft, small, can contain the passport and other important documents, money. That relieves the passport concern. Near zero time added to evacuation.
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OK, let me throw out an idea.
Let's stop worrying about what some passengers do. If this really was an issue the Regulators (starting with ICAO) would be doing something about it. The airlines would be reviewing their safety briefings (which they don't appear to be doing) and making suitable amendments.
Let's stop worrying about what some passengers do. If this really was an issue the Regulators (starting with ICAO) would be doing something about it. The airlines would be reviewing their safety briefings (which they don't appear to be doing) and making suitable amendments.
