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Old 19th Apr 2016, 10:51
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don't think 'trolley dollies' is acceptable now.
What about wagon dragon then?
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Old 19th Apr 2016, 11:38
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BUT, the greatest majority of people paying their own ticket want the lowest price and the carriers will show them the lowest price to get their attention.
That's not true ... One want's the most cost effective and convenient trip and 'cost effective' includes travelling to/from airport of departure, transport costs, car parking, buggeration factor etc. etc. etc.

Now, let me think when I lived in the East Midlands, probably 1.5 hours from LHR, my regular destinations included AMS, CDG, DUS, FRA, MUC, CPH, ARN, MXP, FCO, RIX, KBP, SIN & HKG and, amazingly, I could achieve all of these, regularly, at schedules that suited my purpose, and at trip prices that suited my pocket, from BHX!

Now how many imagine that one needs to travel to London, perhaps Manchester, to travel to these destinations? ... It's a case of educating the travelling public, many will be driving past such an airport as BHX on their way to/from London, spending perhaps hundreds in travelling costs to save a tenner on an air far?
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Old 19th Apr 2016, 13:24
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I agree there are those who want the right deal PF but the advertising goes where the money is. On holiday I was talking with a retired man ( a genuine multi-millionaire) and he was complaining about the LCCs and how they charged him $$ for being 1Kg overweight.

At his local airport there are at least three carriers to take him on his regular domestic sector in Australia. So I asked him what made him choose a particular carrier? "The cheapest". [unquote]
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Yeah, but he was an Aussie!
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Old 19th Apr 2016, 15:18
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Hotel Tango - this issue for a short-haul LCC is how many seats to convert to less dense config. If they are lowering the capacity of the plane they need to make sure that the seats fill. The problem is that the demand for premium seating will be different by month, time of day, day of week and destination so getting the mix right if you are a large LCC like easyjet with a diverse network is nigh on impossible. You can of course run different configs on different aircraft but all of this detracts from the one feature common to successful LCCs - simplicity.
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Old 19th Apr 2016, 18:13
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Yes indeed and I am of course aware of that. Going back to Condor, they have a number of rows with just that little bit more leg room. When booking Premium the seat selection engine offers only row 1 until such a time row 2 is required, and so on, until all YP seats are allocated. If for instance at a given time (I don't know what criteria they use for this) some of these YP rows remain free and the Y cabin is full, then those remaining YP rows are released for sale as Y. Yes it means that some lucky people will have the extra 2 inches or so but they get none of the other extras. The airline therefore retains a certain amount of flexibility with the cabin configuration.
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Old 2nd May 2016, 09:42
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New Boeing 737 Seat

A real benefit for customers of airlines using this seat, or a triumph of accountant-led cost reduction and who-gives-a-toss-about customers' comfort and well-being? You choose.......

Boeing Selects New 737 Seat Supplier

Here's a typical response in one forum....

All of the new slim line seats are substandard. There is little to no back or seat support, the maximum time a customer can be reasonably comfortable is about 1 1/2 hours. A three to six hour trip leaves the customers complaining of back and hip pains. The bottom cushions last only about 45 days when in normal service, regardless of what the different manufactures say their durability and Life Cycle tests show. The airlines demanded lighter weight seats, the stockholders demanded lower costs for profit. The airline company line was for fuel reduction costs. The real reason was the ability to add an additional two to three rows of seats in coach. The seating industry complied with the airlines demands. THE AIRLINES GOT WHAT THEY PAID FOR, a sub standard seat product, with overall more frequent seat cushion replacement, more frame repairs because the frame cannot withstand constant use and movement by overweight passengers. The real end result is more dissatisfied customers complaining.
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Old 2nd May 2016, 14:02
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I actually like squeezie's slim line seats. In particular the 'no recline'.
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Old 2nd May 2016, 16:09
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Originally Posted by ExXB
I actually like squeezie's slim line seats. In particular the 'no recline'.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 07:24
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Jet2 were the first to introduce these slimline seats a few years ago. I can't say that I find them at all uncomfortable, I have been as far as Larnaca and back in them, 5 hours, no trouble.

The additional legroom that they facilitate is a great benefit, I'd much rather that than my last Monarch flight with the "old" padded seats with no leg room at all.
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Old 5th May 2016, 16:07
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"The additional legroom that they facilitate is a great benefit"

Ho ho ho - the airlines fit them so they can squeeze in more seats....... you don't get extra leg room - just more bodies to checkin and get on and off the plane and a rotten seat as well................
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Old 5th May 2016, 16:43
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Possibly 'more useful legroom'?
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Old 5th May 2016, 18:57
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HH U2 was already at the max number of pax seats with the old seats. Fitting slimline did not give them more seats. As I said I find them more comfortable - and I love the no recline

I hope they have all their aircraft configured with them soon.
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Old 5th May 2016, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
the airlines fit them so they can squeeze in more seats....... you don't get extra leg room - just more bodies to checkin and get on and off the plane and a rotten seat as well................
To get even one more row in a 737/A320, the new seat would have to enable seat pitch to be reduced by an inch-and-a-half (i.e. 2 inches in practice).

No amount of seat redesign would achieve that without also involving a significant reduction in legroom.
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Emergency exits and crew numbers determine the maximum number of seats. If already at maximum number with regular seats then slimline seats by default increase the pitch.

My only arguments on board have been about morons reclining their seats to maximum deflection, at full speed and no prior warning. Not great if there is a glass of liquid on your tray table.....

So three cheers for slimline, no recline seats, which I also find are comfortable.

Was on a Brussels A320 this week with a new interior. 30 rows (so same as EZY), with the same number of seats, but a different arrangement with much smaller toilets and the last row of seats has no windows. Far less comfortable, despite the recline and less space for the cabin crew on their rest. What a waste....

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Old 5th May 2016, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Espada III
Emergency exits and crew numbers determine the maximum number of seats. If already at maximum number with regular seats then slimline seats by default increase the pitch.
I think you mean they increase legroom, not pitch.
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Old 6th May 2016, 06:48
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Seat pitch is the distance from the back of one seat to the front of the seat behind it. As slimline are thinner the distance (seat pitch) increases.
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Old 6th May 2016, 06:54
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......As slimline are thinner the distance (seat pitch) increases.
Or, alternately, if enough room is made, airlines can put another row of seats in, whilst not increasing "needlessly" the distance for passengers legs.
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Old 6th May 2016, 08:04
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Originally Posted by ExXB
Seat pitch is the distance from the back of one seat to the front of the seat behind it.
No, it isn't, never has been.

It's the distance between any (fixed) point on a seat and the same (fixed) point on the seat in the next row (for example the attachment points on the seat rails).

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