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Old 26th Sep 2014, 04:57
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Orthodox Jews create chaos on El Al flight before leaving New York

Flight delayed for hours because of demand to segregate men and women

Orthodox Jews create chaos on El Al flight before leaving New York as they demanded men and women sit seperately for the 11-hour flight to Israel in order to satisfy religious laws | Daily Mail Online

Aren't there always Orthodox Jews flying this route? Why was it so much worse this time? Was it because so many were flying back for the High Holidays?

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Nothing changes. They caused chaos when I was flying back in the 70's.
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I was on a flight with Tunisair, from Tunis to London, in the days when there was a large and totally tolerated Jewish community in Tunisia.

In the row behind me, 3 orthodox Jews from this community spent the whole flight loudly chanting and nodding their heads back and forth.

This in-your-face behaviour raised some wry eyebrows among the many Muslims on the flight; my Muslim neighbour just remarked "Ah well, it's what they do."

After about half an hour of it, I turned and asked them to be quieter. I was the only person to protest in any way. They did not pause, and merely turned up the volume. My neighbour murmured "I could have told you that would happen; best leave it".

To be clear, I would have felt and done the same with anyone behaving like that, whether Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Cargo Cult, Hindus, Mormons or worshippers of any other Gods. The loud chanting was the problem, not their race or religion. But orthodox Jews do seem to be particularly uncaring about behaving outrageously in the name of whatever God they adhere to.
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If a gap is too small to park their car in they park at an angle with part of the car sticking out obstructing the traffic. If they can't find a gap at all they just double park in the road. I've seen this multiple occasions, they don't care.
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In the row behind me, 3 orthodox Jews from this community spent the whole flight loudly chanting and nodding their heads back and forth.
If similar such (fundamentalist) behavior was demonstrated by orthodox muslims, the flight would be diverted, with full military escort to the nearest airfield and the offenders taken in by the anti terrorist police for interrogation.

Why Jews get away with I simply don't understand. (Well I do, but I'll leave that to the imagination).
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For El Al, it's just an additional cost of doing business in their market ...
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Why some enterprising aviation entrepreneur hasn't started a small airline to service the regular (?) travel needs of the very chosen ones is a mystery. The habits, beliefs and expectations of this group don't fit in with 2014, so these events will continue to occur. If even EL AL are stumped with their demands, then a specialist operator could make a killing (no pun intended).
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Before EL-AL moved from STANSTED to LUTON,(best thing they ever did)they turned a small part of the terminal into the wailing wall . For security reasons they had their own checkin area,own armed seurity staff(landside),flight went from the furthest gate(sat1) after MIDNIGHT/LAST FLIGHT...
the road outside of the terminal was closed of by the police, ALL IN ALL THEY WERE A PAIN IN THE B@M Was glad to see the leave
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This group represents nothing more than the Pharisees of the Bible that Jesus roundly condemned for their outrageous, selfish, arrogant, petty laws behaviour, that angered him greatly.

Jesus and the Pharisees

These people represent nothing more than ignorance, selfishness, a love of petty religious laws and regulations, and regular demands for specialised treatment, based on their own selfish perception of their superior position in the scheme of things.

Any other group that disrupted a flight in this manner would be left standing on the tarmac faster than you could say "Jack Robinson".
Why their disruptive, selfish, arrogant, and abusive behaviour is constantly tolerated, speaks volumes for the imbeciles who let them constantly get away with it.
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Israel recently announced that they were going to start calling these characters up for National Service in the military. Didn't go down too well! Not sure if it passed into law or not. Orthodox Jews are not at all popular with the rest of the Jewish community.
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack
Why some enterprising aviation entrepreneur hasn't started a small airline to service the regular (?) travel needs of the very chosen ones is a mystery. The habits, beliefs and expectations of this group don't fit in with 2014, so these events will continue to occur. If even EL AL are stumped with their demands, then a specialist operator could make a killing (no pun intended). SHJ

Hey, great idea. And if the flew Fri/Sat they would fill the holes in LY's schedules.
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I am endlessly amazed that people with strong religious convictions expect the modern world to revolve around their "rules", but where exactly in their religion does it grant them the liberty to use aeroplanes, cars, trains, radios, TV, Computers etc.?!
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From speaking with colleagues who travel to Tel Aviv, this sounds like the fun and games they have to put up with. Evidently many such passengers flatly refuse to heed or act upon clear directions from female crew - this occurs on the Easyjet flights as well.
The non-orthodox Israeli nationals evidently act perfectly reasonably.
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An Israeli friend of mine once described them as "Barnacles on the @rse of our society".
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Here's another example I saw recently
'Women, walk wherever you want' posters taken down in Stamford Hill following 'unacceptable' signs separating men and women - Home News - UK - The Independent
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Please remember these people are not Orthodox Jews. I'm an Orthodox Jew. You get orthodox and Liberals generally. We look like normal people and talk act like normal people, hell, we are normal people! Tolerant and polite, the main difference is in Synagogue, where orthodox sit separately and conduct services in Hebrew.


Liberals are more your happy clappy lot in comparison, but outside of Synagogue they/we get on, mix and generally fit in with society and share various political and social views with others. Just normal people and you could kind of make the comparison with CoE and Catholics for the differences there are. Simplified, granted, but there you go.


Now, your ULTRA ORTHODOX JEWS, are the folk you are complaining about. The Frummers are a weird sect and frankly as different from normal Jewish folk as you can get. I just don't get them at all. The equivalent of Wahabists and those smilly Christian fundamentalist groups you get. Religion dominates their lives to the exclusion of all else.


Now as you know, Jews are famous for a rich sense of humour. I reckon the Frummers are just Jews who have none.


Each to their own, but like every religion's extremes, as long as they keep to themselves it's not so bad. They don't though.....
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Echo that Turkish
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Turkish Delight,

So are the Jews I know who eat bacon known as ultra liberal jews then ?

Jesting aside, nice summary !
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Wise words Turkish Delight!

In my area we have hundreds of African, West Indian and other foreign churches, plus all manner of small/cult/whackdoodle religions. Most occupy commercial properties but do not pay Business Rates because they worship an invisible friend, even though many of them also run commercial book shops, sweat shops, clubs and all manner of profit making business

We who do not worship invisible friends have to pay not only full whack, but presumably extra to top the council's falling income.
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same as help the Aged, the Red Cross and other charities that run shops in the high street
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