Cabin blinds closed on a daylight flight.
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Rather than being 'Master and Commander' some of us have always advised:
- Place a blanket over your head to shield others who do not share the delight.
- Open the blind half way for, most of the time, you are looking down.
- Have your sunglasses to hand.
- DON'T fly the 787.
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Perhaps airlines should fit blinds which have a central "letter box" slot, perhaps with a fabric covering flap.
1 or 2 days ago the BBC news site had anarticle about using Virtual Reality sims to reassure nervous passengers during turbulence, and part of this research includes using the whole interior space as a screen to project images on to, including virtual images of the scene outside.
I quite like the idea of seeing the virtual view of the plane and surrounding view from a virtual viewing position on the wings or tail, but would soon want to revert to looking at the real world! This aspect of VR projection would of course require the plane to have no windows, but to be fair was described as a research project.
1 or 2 days ago the BBC news site had anarticle about using Virtual Reality sims to reassure nervous passengers during turbulence, and part of this research includes using the whole interior space as a screen to project images on to, including virtual images of the scene outside.
I quite like the idea of seeing the virtual view of the plane and surrounding view from a virtual viewing position on the wings or tail, but would soon want to revert to looking at the real world! This aspect of VR projection would of course require the plane to have no windows, but to be fair was described as a research project.
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•Place a blanket over your head to shield others who do not share the delight.
•Open the blind half way for, most of the time, you are looking down.
Exactly PAXboy. Sometimes I'm simply astounded by the lack of initiative of some of our fellow pax on this forum.
Oh-oh, guess I'm going to get flamed now (makes hasty retreat) 
•Open the blind half way for, most of the time, you are looking down.
Exactly PAXboy. Sometimes I'm simply astounded by the lack of initiative of some of our fellow pax on this forum.
Oh-oh, guess I'm going to get flamed now (makes hasty retreat)
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I certainly do try to minimise light spill but have still been told to shut the blind; and let's not forget the other type of "Master and Commander of the Blind", the one who books a window seat to ensure that the blind is kept shut for the entire flight! I have often had to book at the last minute and get fed up with not being able to get a window seat then noticed virtually all those who did get a window keep the blind down.
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Can I just say, as cabin crew… I never tell anyone to close a window blind on a day flight.
After all, it IS a daylight flight, and I know that a lot of people who chose to sit next to the window do so because they wish to look out of it, or prefer natural light.
We still carry eye shades for people who wish to have them and I will even defend the "right" (if you want to call it that…) of the people at the window to keep it open.
There are odd occasions where I may ask someone at the window to lower the blind some what, say for example, when bright direct sunlight is shining directly onto someones IFE screen, or something like that. I, however, never ask them to close it, just pull it down a little.
I was once shouted and screamed at by a French man in Club, because some people had their window blinds open. He was telling me that it was BA policy to close window blinds on daylight flights, which it is not, and that he would never sleep because of the light in the cabin… Needless to say, he slept for about 6 hours, snoring like a tractor for most of it, so the light must have been very bad.
Either way, we are not all bad when it comes to things like this.
After all, it IS a daylight flight, and I know that a lot of people who chose to sit next to the window do so because they wish to look out of it, or prefer natural light.
We still carry eye shades for people who wish to have them and I will even defend the "right" (if you want to call it that…) of the people at the window to keep it open.
There are odd occasions where I may ask someone at the window to lower the blind some what, say for example, when bright direct sunlight is shining directly onto someones IFE screen, or something like that. I, however, never ask them to close it, just pull it down a little.
I was once shouted and screamed at by a French man in Club, because some people had their window blinds open. He was telling me that it was BA policy to close window blinds on daylight flights, which it is not, and that he would never sleep because of the light in the cabin… Needless to say, he slept for about 6 hours, snoring like a tractor for most of it, so the light must have been very bad.
Either way, we are not all bad when it comes to things like this.
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KING6024 and joy ride, it comes down to individual airline policies (if they actually have one) and even more often the individual policies of the CSMs. Some airlines are a little more relaxed about blinds during daytime operations. I recently returned from NRT to AMS (in C), on a daytime flight. The pax in row 1 had their blinds up the entire trip. They were not bullied to close them by the CC.
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I have never felt "bullied" to close the blind or do anything else by CC
Of course I am generalising, as I have had good experiences on U.S. carriers. But, equally, I've had some real dragons
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HT, your last post got me thinking about all my flights and I realise that 3 of the 4 times I felt genuinely let down by any aspect of an airline's service happened on US carriers, and 2 of these on the same carrier; however, even those airlines were fine on other flights with them. The other poor service was with an Eastern European airline in the 1980s, but then things over there did need a different level of expectations back then!
Flying into Newark about three summers ago aboard a Continental B757 we were requested to close the blinds after landing to stop heat soak into the plane.
I was puzzled about this as the sunshine was clearly hitting the exterior of a long metal tube which would heat up nicely thank you without the additional help of a few small portholes.
One wonders what the real reason was....
I was puzzled about this as the sunshine was clearly hitting the exterior of a long metal tube which would heat up nicely thank you without the additional help of a few small portholes.
One wonders what the real reason was....
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In third world countries, people are sitting round fires holding their heads in their hands. A child cries, 'Tell me Father, tell me please, how do the rich men handle the terrible problem of the window-blinds on aircraft?'
Tightslot, Tightslot..., wherefore art thou? Why have you forsaken us..?
Tightslot, Tightslot..., wherefore art thou? Why have you forsaken us..?
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Ah well, what is the point of a forum if you don't comment?
I just don't understand how over the years I have looked in on this particular forum, the subject has just repeated, repeated,repeated....
So many interesting things to talk about,to question,to comment on and to help with for those of us lucky enough to spend our days flying around the world and yet..window blinds, simple window blinds create so much angst and hand wringing.
However, always obliging, I shall now do as you suggest.
I just don't understand how over the years I have looked in on this particular forum, the subject has just repeated, repeated,repeated....
So many interesting things to talk about,to question,to comment on and to help with for those of us lucky enough to spend our days flying around the world and yet..window blinds, simple window blinds create so much angst and hand wringing.
However, always obliging, I shall now do as you suggest.
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strake - if you click your mouse on the blue bar at the top of the page you will find you can drag that down and close the window. Then you can sleep without having to read about window blinds.
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Projected projected views of the world:
BBC News - Screens to replace windows on S-512 supersonic jet
BBC News - Screens to replace windows on S-512 supersonic jet
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Thanks for the link, very interesting. This was one of the hurdles that stopped the Boeing blended wing from getting going. There has been a great advancement in both camera and display tech as of recently.
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I cannot imagine ever getting the same level of interest and enjoyment from seeing an electronic version of the world, instead of the real one, but sadly I think many people only respond to anything if it's on a screen. Go to any concert or performance and most of the audience prefers to watch it on their phones!
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I disagree completely, a large screen with high definition could give you a sensation of flight that you just can not get out of a small window. 4 years spending thousands of hours sitting next to a very large observer window behind the CAPT of an MD-11 is what I think of when I say this. In a low level bank you get a very interesting perspective. It is said that the only reason Gulfstream has not enlarged that narrow fuselage on their G series aircraft is that they would lose their trademark large windows. I for one believe a fine detail large display would be preferred over straining your neck to look out a porthole! The only negative is that some may see more than they want to but then again they did give you the option to turn it off.