Holiday yobs terrorise Ryanair flight to Ibiza
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Protests from Others
Yes indeed, the protests would be from the shopping mall outlets (sorry airport terminal cafe bars) selling overpriced alcohol where some bored passengers sit drinking heavily for 2 hours before their 2 hour flight - these problems of intoxication are built into the business model (it's to do with security)
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Never had any problems on the flight at all and they ran on time, what more do you expect for £25 return??
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Punish the majority
Ban it ! Control it! Shut it down ! Are the calls from the Pprune floor.
I take a different view 99.999 % of the passengers using the airport bars are not involved in any trouble whatsoever so why shut the bars and punish the majority of passengers ?
In my view it is the gate staff who need to be more careful on who they admit to the aircraft and if they have any doubts on the issue then refer it to the aircraft captain to decide.
I take a different view 99.999 % of the passengers using the airport bars are not involved in any trouble whatsoever so why shut the bars and punish the majority of passengers ?
In my view it is the gate staff who need to be more careful on who they admit to the aircraft and if they have any doubts on the issue then refer it to the aircraft captain to decide.
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Once flying from Edinburgh to Menorca there was a flight delay.
The contents of the flight retired to the airport bar and many pints were consumed.
Eventually we got boarded and airborne. As soon as the seat belt sign went out a queue formed the length of the aisle. People coming out of the loo just went to the back of the queue again instead of going back to their seats. This continued for the full 2ish hours of the flight, till the seat belt sign went on again.
Obviously there was no trolley service whatsoever. The aisle was too full of humans.
The whole flight was very good natured and not a single cross word was heard.
The contents of the flight retired to the airport bar and many pints were consumed.
Eventually we got boarded and airborne. As soon as the seat belt sign went out a queue formed the length of the aisle. People coming out of the loo just went to the back of the queue again instead of going back to their seats. This continued for the full 2ish hours of the flight, till the seat belt sign went on again.
Obviously there was no trolley service whatsoever. The aisle was too full of humans.
The whole flight was very good natured and not a single cross word was heard.
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In my view it is the gate staff who need to be more careful on who they admit to the aircraft and if they have any doubts on the issue then refer it to the aircraft captain to decide.
I have nothing against alcohol at all but there are reasons why I would like to see its sale at airports limited.
- Drunk passengers
- Passengers in bars or duty free delaying flights.
- Alcohol purchases brought onto aircraft, stuffed into overheads, taking up space, and falling out.
- Arguments between passengers wanting to to drink duty free alcohol on board and crew telling them it's not allowed.
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Isn't it illegal to allow drunk passengers onto a commercial flight?
If it is, then I'd say it would be a tough call for the gate staff to stop individuals from boarding. But maybe the industry needs to take a harder line with this?
If it is, then I'd say it would be a tough call for the gate staff to stop individuals from boarding. But maybe the industry needs to take a harder line with this?
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So where was the Captain during all of this? Surely he/she should have being offering moral support to the cabin crew and refused to take the drunk passengers.
I also blame the airport bars, not for serving alcohol, but for serving alcohol to people who are plainly not fit to travel in an aircraft. At the gate, more vigilance would help in terms of spotting the culprits and then calling the police. Surely the Captain should have spoken to the police and said that he/ she was refusing to take the drunken pax.
Personally, I have a zero tolerance to these sorts of passengers. Their selfish and uncontrolled behaviour make the lives of the other pax a misery and during any potential emergency they could be incapable of taking any sensible actions directed by the cabin crew.
I have always resolutely refused to takes anyone who is drunk. Full stop. I don't care if there is a delay, they go off. Most of the time if you single out one or two and refuse to carry them, the rest will calm down a bit and be a little more sensible. In this case, it has to be the police that ejects them.
So many summmer departures to sunny climes are ruined by these idiots. It's a selfish and horrible trait. There are times, many times when I have landed in Spain or back in the UK and just felt embarrased to be British.
I also blame the airport bars, not for serving alcohol, but for serving alcohol to people who are plainly not fit to travel in an aircraft. At the gate, more vigilance would help in terms of spotting the culprits and then calling the police. Surely the Captain should have spoken to the police and said that he/ she was refusing to take the drunken pax.
Personally, I have a zero tolerance to these sorts of passengers. Their selfish and uncontrolled behaviour make the lives of the other pax a misery and during any potential emergency they could be incapable of taking any sensible actions directed by the cabin crew.
I have always resolutely refused to takes anyone who is drunk. Full stop. I don't care if there is a delay, they go off. Most of the time if you single out one or two and refuse to carry them, the rest will calm down a bit and be a little more sensible. In this case, it has to be the police that ejects them.
So many summmer departures to sunny climes are ruined by these idiots. It's a selfish and horrible trait. There are times, many times when I have landed in Spain or back in the UK and just felt embarrased to be British.
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Manchester police routinely show up at aircraft during the early spring months to talk to the crews about the expected wave of drunken turds that starts to arrive end of May. They do a splendid job at it too, even handing out cellphone numbers to pilots to get in touch as soon as they see this sort of situation developing during boarding.
I was one of a full ships crew being shipped back to Norway via Schiphol some time '70ies. Some of us had a bit too much and were politely asked by SAS gate personel to wait for the next flight. We did, not a problem.
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Lark, the airline is at the mercy of airport and gate staff. People get too rowdy in the bar, they're moved out to the gate where they are a bit more confined, annoy less people and above all are "off our patch". Gate staff, fully aware of the rules regarding being drunk on an aeroplane try to quieten them and get them on board (without risking trouble by doing their job) and make it the crew's problem. Drunks usually know to behave on boarding, harassed crew don't/can't notice until it is too late. It's all about shoving them down the line and into someone else's territory and where they end up is on board.
Technically they're not the Captain's problem until the doors are closed but in reality it doesn't work like that.
The staff answer is 1) don't let them on board and 2) once on board remove them before flight.
Easier said than done.
Technically they're not the Captain's problem until the doors are closed but in reality it doesn't work like that.
The staff answer is 1) don't let them on board and 2) once on board remove them before flight.
Easier said than done.
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Agar, when you put it that way I can see how complicated the situation can get for all involved.
In this case would it be recorded as an incident to the IAA where in their capacity as the responsible safety regulator it can be investigated and recommendations published?
In this case would it be recorded as an incident to the IAA where in their capacity as the responsible safety regulator it can be investigated and recommendations published?
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Guys; The answer is quite obvious, surely. If there is a threat to safety of the a/c or crew or pax then you remove it asap. PIK to IBZ passes over so many havens of peace & quiet with local police to ensure such. Why were they ignored? From the info on here it would seem a no brainer and a few questions from C.P to said captain about his decisions. I hope there is more to this and mitigating circumstances.
Many years ago there was such an occurrence en-route Greece UK in mid-night. The a/c landed in SPL, the yobs were in klink for the night and then left to it. Local plods thought that was enough. No airline would carry them so the ensuing difficulties and costs were deemed enough. Seems perhaps a little gentle, but they did incur costs and great inconvenience.
In this case the same action might seem the least to do, but to deliver them to their desired destination seems very generous. Best case might have been into UK cells and gain +ve publicity for RYR. An opportunity missed?
Many years ago there was such an occurrence en-route Greece UK in mid-night. The a/c landed in SPL, the yobs were in klink for the night and then left to it. Local plods thought that was enough. No airline would carry them so the ensuing difficulties and costs were deemed enough. Seems perhaps a little gentle, but they did incur costs and great inconvenience.
In this case the same action might seem the least to do, but to deliver them to their desired destination seems very generous. Best case might have been into UK cells and gain +ve publicity for RYR. An opportunity missed?
In Australia, a fly-in/fly-out system operates at many mines out in the bush where workers spend three to six weeks in a camp and get flown to a major city for their time off.
After a few incidents it was agreed to time the arrival of the bus from the mine to the airport so that it arrived so close to departure time that the passengers had to go straight through to the aircraft as soon as they had checked in.
There wasn't time to get half plastered in the airport bar anymore, problem solved.
Be grateful to Ryanair for keeping the drunken yobs off the full service airlines. They can save 15-20 pounds on the ticket price while I will quite happily pay the extra to avoid flying with them.
After a few incidents it was agreed to time the arrival of the bus from the mine to the airport so that it arrived so close to departure time that the passengers had to go straight through to the aircraft as soon as they had checked in.
There wasn't time to get half plastered in the airport bar anymore, problem solved.
Be grateful to Ryanair for keeping the drunken yobs off the full service airlines. They can save 15-20 pounds on the ticket price while I will quite happily pay the extra to avoid flying with them.
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Be grateful to Ryanair for keeping the drunken yobs off the full service airlines. They can save 15-20 pounds on the ticket price while I will quite happily pay the extra to avoid flying with them.
My sentiments exactly.
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I do think that tolerating this behaviour instead of stamping hard on it is a mistake. Given the description of the behaviour I'm astonished the Captain didn't divert and dump them somewhere really inconvenient like Clermant Frerrand. I dumped some drunken Dublin sewer rats in Bristol once, they weren't at all impressed. Had to go home via ferry from liverpool I believe.
My company takes a pretty dim view of this sort of thing and we too had problems, esp when starting flights to Poland - litres of vodka being the main problem. We had a number of incidents and pressed charges which the British police at least are happy to help with and I understand the company PR/Press officer had a busy trade for a while sending newspaper reports of the arrests and subsequent convictions to local Polish newspapers. The message got through. WE have far less problems like this than we used to - and on my flights at least the miscreants get one warning - a straightforward promise of arrest on arrival unless they stop - NOW! The cabin crew appreciate it because they feel they have support as do the other pax.
If we don't act like this it frankly becomes a self-inflicted injury.
The UK courts have been gratifyingly solid in the sentences handed down too - it is worth taking a delay and making sure the Police press charges, so just do it and the problem will eventually dwindle!
Sad to note that not all airlines have banned lists though, for some reason there is a great reluctance to do this which is stupid.
My company takes a pretty dim view of this sort of thing and we too had problems, esp when starting flights to Poland - litres of vodka being the main problem. We had a number of incidents and pressed charges which the British police at least are happy to help with and I understand the company PR/Press officer had a busy trade for a while sending newspaper reports of the arrests and subsequent convictions to local Polish newspapers. The message got through. WE have far less problems like this than we used to - and on my flights at least the miscreants get one warning - a straightforward promise of arrest on arrival unless they stop - NOW! The cabin crew appreciate it because they feel they have support as do the other pax.
If we don't act like this it frankly becomes a self-inflicted injury.
The UK courts have been gratifyingly solid in the sentences handed down too - it is worth taking a delay and making sure the Police press charges, so just do it and the problem will eventually dwindle!
Sad to note that not all airlines have banned lists though, for some reason there is a great reluctance to do this which is stupid.
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I agree with the gentleman with the latin name, or "Mr Mushroom", since it is easier to type! There is no reason to accept this behaviour, and it is up to the crew to do the appropriate deed if the gate staff don't do their duty properly.
Given several incidents of what I regard as over-reaction to words like "bomb" clearly used in jest (I have been on two flights where one passenger was met by police for that offence, and the one I heard could not possibly have been taken seriously by anyone with an ounce of common sense), actual threats to the safety of passengers and crew, such as are described in the article,* should result in immediate action. Please, guys and gals in whom we put our trust (both sides of the cockpit door), don't let this happen. Planes can be stressful enough. Perhaps adopting a zero-tolerance on all pax deciding what the rules are, from not turning off electronics and reading/talking throughout the safety briefing to standing up before the seatbelt sign is off, would restore some sort of order in general. Too many people think flying is like catching a bus, and it is time to disabuse them of the notion.
I haven't flown RyanAir for some time (I used to have to for work - cheapskates wouldn't pay for AerLingus!), but the staff were always very pleasant and efficient. Many of the passengers on the other hand ... I didn't envy the folks who had to deal with them!
* I am accepting that the original article may contain ... how shall I put it? ... some hyperbole, given the source.
Given several incidents of what I regard as over-reaction to words like "bomb" clearly used in jest (I have been on two flights where one passenger was met by police for that offence, and the one I heard could not possibly have been taken seriously by anyone with an ounce of common sense), actual threats to the safety of passengers and crew, such as are described in the article,* should result in immediate action. Please, guys and gals in whom we put our trust (both sides of the cockpit door), don't let this happen. Planes can be stressful enough. Perhaps adopting a zero-tolerance on all pax deciding what the rules are, from not turning off electronics and reading/talking throughout the safety briefing to standing up before the seatbelt sign is off, would restore some sort of order in general. Too many people think flying is like catching a bus, and it is time to disabuse them of the notion.
I haven't flown RyanAir for some time (I used to have to for work - cheapskates wouldn't pay for AerLingus!), but the staff were always very pleasant and efficient. Many of the passengers on the other hand ... I didn't envy the folks who had to deal with them!
* I am accepting that the original article may contain ... how shall I put it? ... some hyperbole, given the source.