What’s the rule about luggage under the seat in front of you?
passenger carry on, bags and all
Now folks, this is a worldwide problem not restricted to LCC's. there are a number of issue, all have been discussed previously.
But to summarize the big points:
1. Bag manufactures labeling a bag "cabin legal".
2. Different standards across the airlines/ports as to how many bags are permitted.
3. Different weight/size standard for carry on bags
4. Different level of enforcement. Ie: the issues of space on a full flight are not such a problem on one with a good load of empty seats.
But for the passengers,try this.
Jump on a set if scales, then weigh your carry on bags, then go to the airlines website and see what the allocation is for pax and bag. (84kg for my airline)
That is the maximum you and your bags can weigh. So if you are 83kgs, you only have 1kg of allowable luggage. Conversely, if you weigh 50kgs, you can bring the maximum number of bags up to the total maximum weight allowed for carry on, eg: 2 bags totaling 10kgs, (not 2 bags equaling 34kgs.)
With the "normal" person being larger than they were in the past, there are some passengers that technically are unable to use any of the carry on entitlement. (And should be paying for another seat if they weigh above the airlines maximum)
The weight and balance and performance figures for take off are calculated using the standard weights of 84kgs, plus check in bags, freight and fuel. These figures are maximized for runway length, weather, engine life etc, and provide an airline with some considerable cost saving.
There are some aircraft that can work out the actual weight once airborne using different parameters, and it is evident that the passenger/carry on luggage weight can be out a lot of the time. The biggest discrepancy I have seen is 1.5%. 1200kg's!!
That may not seem like a lot, but it could be critical in a rejected take off or one engine failure on take off. If also increases fuel burn.
Next time you are getting agitated about cabin baggage with your "standard" cabin bag, Just ask yourself, is me and my bag equal or less than the airlines maximum? Have I done everything I can to maximize my chance of stowing my bag correctly? (Check it in the bag check module, boarded early) if you have, the CC should have no reason to ask you to check your bag.
If by chance they do want to offload your bag, here's a tip, be nice, and comply, otherwise you may go to CDG, your bag may go to ANC!
As for the on board change issue, carry a note close to the value of the food/drink you intend to purchase, and let the CC keep the change, one day, it could stop your bag from being offloaded and ending up in ANC. Karma
But to summarize the big points:
1. Bag manufactures labeling a bag "cabin legal".
2. Different standards across the airlines/ports as to how many bags are permitted.
3. Different weight/size standard for carry on bags
4. Different level of enforcement. Ie: the issues of space on a full flight are not such a problem on one with a good load of empty seats.
But for the passengers,try this.
Jump on a set if scales, then weigh your carry on bags, then go to the airlines website and see what the allocation is for pax and bag. (84kg for my airline)
That is the maximum you and your bags can weigh. So if you are 83kgs, you only have 1kg of allowable luggage. Conversely, if you weigh 50kgs, you can bring the maximum number of bags up to the total maximum weight allowed for carry on, eg: 2 bags totaling 10kgs, (not 2 bags equaling 34kgs.)
With the "normal" person being larger than they were in the past, there are some passengers that technically are unable to use any of the carry on entitlement. (And should be paying for another seat if they weigh above the airlines maximum)
The weight and balance and performance figures for take off are calculated using the standard weights of 84kgs, plus check in bags, freight and fuel. These figures are maximized for runway length, weather, engine life etc, and provide an airline with some considerable cost saving.
There are some aircraft that can work out the actual weight once airborne using different parameters, and it is evident that the passenger/carry on luggage weight can be out a lot of the time. The biggest discrepancy I have seen is 1.5%. 1200kg's!!
That may not seem like a lot, but it could be critical in a rejected take off or one engine failure on take off. If also increases fuel burn.
Next time you are getting agitated about cabin baggage with your "standard" cabin bag, Just ask yourself, is me and my bag equal or less than the airlines maximum? Have I done everything I can to maximize my chance of stowing my bag correctly? (Check it in the bag check module, boarded early) if you have, the CC should have no reason to ask you to check your bag.
If by chance they do want to offload your bag, here's a tip, be nice, and comply, otherwise you may go to CDG, your bag may go to ANC!
As for the on board change issue, carry a note close to the value of the food/drink you intend to purchase, and let the CC keep the change, one day, it could stop your bag from being offloaded and ending up in ANC. Karma
then go to the airlines website and see what the allocation is for pax and bag. (84kg for my airline)
Can you point us towards any that you are aware of, please?
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In the good old days IATA used to set a standard for baggage - checked and carry-on. IATA members applied that standard as a minimum. There were no penalties or sanctions for non-compliance. Most other (non-LCC) airlines applied the IATA standards knowing that their connecting passengers would not be inconvenienced.
LCC's being point-to-point, non connecting airlines, applied their own standards.
A few years back the European Commission told IATA that standard setting for baggage was 'anti-competitive' and if they didn't stop doing so they would see IATA in court. When IATA agreed to stop the EC Commissioner at the time issued a press release telling the world that they had stopped this awful cartel ripping off passengers.
A few airlines (EK for example) now give a more generous baggage allowance than the previous IATA standards, but most now give less.
Isn't the EC wonderful!
LCC's being point-to-point, non connecting airlines, applied their own standards.
A few years back the European Commission told IATA that standard setting for baggage was 'anti-competitive' and if they didn't stop doing so they would see IATA in court. When IATA agreed to stop the EC Commissioner at the time issued a press release telling the world that they had stopped this awful cartel ripping off passengers.
A few airlines (EK for example) now give a more generous baggage allowance than the previous IATA standards, but most now give less.
Isn't the EC wonderful!
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ExXB - this thread had replies as recent as a few days ago. I read through
and noticed you easyBashing just like you have been doing on more recent posts too. You obviously have an issue with easyJet, and LCCs in general. Are you too good them?
I get the impression that if they offered an EK First service for £30 one way you'd still complain and they would still not be up to your standards. A professional complainer methinks.
If its not baggage at the gate, it's the safety demo, the lack of change, "illegal" storage of bags. What next? The brand of milk jiggers they use??
and noticed you easyBashing just like you have been doing on more recent posts too. You obviously have an issue with easyJet, and LCCs in general. Are you too good them?
I get the impression that if they offered an EK First service for £30 one way you'd still complain and they would still not be up to your standards. A professional complainer methinks.
If its not baggage at the gate, it's the safety demo, the lack of change, "illegal" storage of bags. What next? The brand of milk jiggers they use??
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I assume the max dimensions of permitted hand baggage are such that on an aircraft where all seats are occupied the baggage can be stored in the overhead bins without having to go under the seats.
In passing I've always found ExXB replies accurate and informative and I've benefitted from information that the poster has given freely. Leave off Spicejetter. Thanks.
In passing I've always found ExXB replies accurate and informative and I've benefitted from information that the poster has given freely. Leave off Spicejetter. Thanks.
I assume the max dimensions of permitted hand baggage are such that on an aircraft where all seats are occupied the baggage can be stored in the overhead bins without having to go under the seats
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I didn't know that David.
Regarding the space under the seat in front of you. Has this been designed to accommodate the carry-on-baggage of the max dimensions / weight the airline stipulates?
Regarding the space under the seat in front of you. Has this been designed to accommodate the carry-on-baggage of the max dimensions / weight the airline stipulates?
Regarding the space under the seat in front of you. Has this been designed to accommodate the carry-on-baggage of the max dimensions / weight the airline stipulates?
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Roj approved said:
I confess I haven't seen that on any of the airline websites I've been on, and I'm fairly good at reading the conditions etc. Could anyone give more information on where this is likely to be found? I don't know anything about the poster, nor her/his veracity.
What does surprise me is the figure of 84kg. I am 6'6" (198cm) and the only way I'd get below 84kg is to have a leg amputated! Given that the average height in western countries is increasing, this figure seems very low (I'm not sure I know anyone who would be under 84kg) and needs reconsidering since, as pointed out, it is important in calculating fuel-loads.
Jump on a set if scales, then weigh your carry on bags, then go to the airlines website and see what the allocation is for pax and bag. (84kg for my airline)
What does surprise me is the figure of 84kg. I am 6'6" (198cm) and the only way I'd get below 84kg is to have a leg amputated! Given that the average height in western countries is increasing, this figure seems very low (I'm not sure I know anyone who would be under 84kg) and needs reconsidering since, as pointed out, it is important in calculating fuel-loads.
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Deep in the past I'm sure the baggage wizards had a wonderful formula for calculating how much carry-on to expect. But in those days load factors above 70-80% were the exception rather than the rule and people were comfortable with less in the cabin. Anyone else remember the open hat-racks?
If there was any magic in calculating carry-on it was from a different era.
And many airlines use the overhead space for O2, blankets and pillows and crew stuff. This reduces the space available for passengers.
If there was any magic in calculating carry-on it was from a different era.
And many airlines use the overhead space for O2, blankets and pillows and crew stuff. This reduces the space available for passengers.
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High load factors can only mean smaller carry on baggage in the future. When you think of it why pay for fuel to carry 10kg if you can stipulate a smaller 6kg. Samsonite would be delighted and the saving on fuel would be considerably more than doing away with window shades.
Until airlines can 100% guarentee that items placed in the hold are not going to be droped, lost, thrown, stolen and mistreated then there is no way I am going to put anything I carry on in a suitcase. Carry on is for items of value that passengers do not want to be apart from (in my case photographic equipment & laptop)
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I recently travelled LHR - FRA on the shiny new A380 that BA are "practising" with. I was in the Y cabin, in the K window seat.
BUT... half the "foot space" was taken up by the IFE box; there was another (slightly smaller) IFE box between H&J, and there as a "frame" limiting the foot space around H.
I couldn't get my feet into "my bit" of the foot space - so I ended up sitting "twisted". It was bad enough for a 1h 20m flight - I wouldn't like that on a 12 hour flight, and you would need a seat mate who was prepared to share their space.
There is *no way* that you could get three medium bags under the seats in front. Granted, the A380 does have a good amount of overhead storage, but if many people bring their 2 pieces of carry on, (bag + laptop sized) then there will be an almighty scrum to get it all on board safely...
BUT... half the "foot space" was taken up by the IFE box; there was another (slightly smaller) IFE box between H&J, and there as a "frame" limiting the foot space around H.
I couldn't get my feet into "my bit" of the foot space - so I ended up sitting "twisted". It was bad enough for a 1h 20m flight - I wouldn't like that on a 12 hour flight, and you would need a seat mate who was prepared to share their space.
There is *no way* that you could get three medium bags under the seats in front. Granted, the A380 does have a good amount of overhead storage, but if many people bring their 2 pieces of carry on, (bag + laptop sized) then there will be an almighty scrum to get it all on board safely...
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Luggage didn't fit in seat in front
Can I ask a question please?
I flew on an almost full Dash 8 - 400 recently. By the time I boarded the overhead compartments were all full. I had to put my suitcase (which was within size) under the seat in front of me. It was too long for the space, so I had to sit with my feet on the protruding suitcase for take off.
I noticed too late (when the plane was taxiing) a row of 3 empty seats further back. Had I seen them earlier, I would have asked to move there, or at least put my suitcase under one of these seats.
After take-off I asked to move nearer to the front (not because of my suitcase but because the plane was very warm and there was some light turbulence and I felt quite claustraphobic). The crew were fine about this, so I moved forward minus my suitcase.
What would you have done were you me (apart from join the boarding queue earlier).
Thank you.
I flew on an almost full Dash 8 - 400 recently. By the time I boarded the overhead compartments were all full. I had to put my suitcase (which was within size) under the seat in front of me. It was too long for the space, so I had to sit with my feet on the protruding suitcase for take off.
I noticed too late (when the plane was taxiing) a row of 3 empty seats further back. Had I seen them earlier, I would have asked to move there, or at least put my suitcase under one of these seats.
After take-off I asked to move nearer to the front (not because of my suitcase but because the plane was very warm and there was some light turbulence and I felt quite claustraphobic). The crew were fine about this, so I moved forward minus my suitcase.
What would you have done were you me (apart from join the boarding queue earlier).
Thank you.
Maddie
I am not sure I understand the question but the way, I move once I board a Dash8 -400 or any other aircraft which is quit full, is to look around a few rows back and forth to see if an overhead compartment has space to put my carry on - if the space above my seat is full. Obviously it helps since I board either first of last.
And it often helps to ask the crew for "directions" where to stow the bags, but be careful because you can end with you bag gate-checked. If there is space they will point to it.
And it often helps to ask the crew for "directions" where to stow the bags, but be careful because you can end with you bag gate-checked. If there is space they will point to it.
Simple solution.
Check the airline's website, if it says 55 x 40 x 23cm, maximum weight 8kg, that's your allowance.
Carry a tape measure just in case someone challenges you.
Where's the problem?
Check the airline's website, if it says 55 x 40 x 23cm, maximum weight 8kg, that's your allowance.
Carry a tape measure just in case someone challenges you.
Where's the problem?
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Luggage didn't fit in seat in front
Good evening,
Just to clarify, I did check my luggage in advance it did meet the criteria, I wasn't flying with Stobairt Air so the 7kg weight limit didn't apply.
Just to clarify, I did check my luggage in advance it did meet the criteria, I wasn't flying with Stobairt Air so the 7kg weight limit didn't apply.
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RevMan2 It seems to be that Maddie is asking a different question and your reply does not really fit.
Maddie, I've not been on a Dash8 for a while but it sounds like you did all that you could. In the past, I've had to put my cabin legal bag under the seat and it still projected as you describe. I think that asking to move - and leaving the bag - was the simplest, given that you were feeling uncomfortable. Perhaps if you ask the question in the Flybe thread in AA&R http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...be-7-a-12.html then you might find some cabin crew respond.
Maddie, I've not been on a Dash8 for a while but it sounds like you did all that you could. In the past, I've had to put my cabin legal bag under the seat and it still projected as you describe. I think that asking to move - and leaving the bag - was the simplest, given that you were feeling uncomfortable. Perhaps if you ask the question in the Flybe thread in AA&R http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...be-7-a-12.html then you might find some cabin crew respond.
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Carry on is for items of value that passengers do not want to be apart from (in my case photographic equipment & laptop)
Q. how do you think it gets to you in the first place ?
A. packaged in cardboard, with a bit of foam, stuck in the hold as cargo !
(b) I've got two words for you if you insist.... "F-Stop Bags"
They are all size compliant... BUT ... if you find yourself on the receiving end of a gate dragon and don't fancy an argument .... ICU out and with you ... bag with cables & gubbins in the hold.... 10 seconds, dragon sleighed and you can change your equipment-baby's diapers in-flight ! Wonderful bags !
Oh and one last word for you .... " I N S U R A N C E"