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BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions V

Old 28th Mar 2011, 08:23
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Give Duncan his due, he has managed maintain the support of ~5000 and somehow avoided mass resignations in the ~ 5,000 members who dont support strike action despite earlier demanding they resign. And he hasn't completely omitted facts - he mentioned the PCCC's 200 membership number apparently revealed in Mark Everard's Tribunal - (relevant of course due to the Porn links posted by Mr Everard - a fact DH omitted to mention)

Likely he'll have another "deeply satisfying" ballot result in a few days time to further comment upon.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 08:30
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I find it amusing that Mark Everard is even trying a tribunal.

Unless of course he is claiming he delegated the creation of the website and had nothing to do with the pr0n.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 09:00
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DH's latest

It is always far easier to talk than to do, and you have proven over and over again that when it comes to doing, cabin crew are not afraid.
Quite the opposite, in fact Mr DH.

Bassa gets thousands to vote on another pointless round of Industrial Action, as I'm sure will happen again today, but far fewer ever take that Industial Action tthat they have voted for.

And even fewer of them, turn out at Bedfont to drink Pims and eat samosa's.

Bassa members dont have much history of "doing", even its leadership have contended that its all about "sending a message" apparently....?
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 10:08
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As a matter of interest, does anybody have any indication of the costs of running a circa 10000 member postal ballot x 5 ? All this democratic process must be costing quite a bit - and who pays, BASSA or Unite ?

And speaking of democratic consultative processes, given that the members weren't allowed to express their views on BA's last substantive offer, what happened to holding members meetings at the racecourse ? Surely the Exec Committee would want to have a 2-way communication after all that has happened since the last one, given all that has happened, and to seek members' views on a way forward beyond keeping the faith ?
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 10:35
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Hipennine

Here's my uneducated guess:

Cost per member - post 1
BASSA admin 2
3rd party ballot 2
Total 5

That's 50000 per ballot for 10000 members. Minimum 25000, maximum 75000.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:03
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What a surprise....

BA cabin crew are understood to have voted eight to one in favour of strike action.

Sky News has reported sources have told it the outcome of the ballot, which raises the prospect of a fresh round of strikes this Easter.

Union Unite remains in dispute with BA over the airline’s handling of a dispute last year which led to 22 days of industrial action.

About 10,000 members of BA’s 13,000 crew were eligible to vote in what was the fifth ballot organised by trade union Unite in a dispute that has dragged on since 2009.
From Sky itself:

Sky sources say that BA cabin crew have voted by more than eight to one in favour of further industrial action.

Some 5,811 Unite members voted yes, sources say, but dates for industrial action have yet to be set.

More follows...
Who has the previous numbers?
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:13
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Last Ballot - 7,482 in favour.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:16
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Last Ballot - 7,482 in favour.
Dropped by 22%. I wonder when they'll start to get the point?
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:21
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PCCC have had to disclose in a legal document submitted for Mark Everard’s tribunal case, that they have less than two hundred members
now i don't expect anyone from PCCC to give us their membership figure, but it must surely be considerably higher this, otherwise there does not seem to be much future for them.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:27
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Sky are now reporting that the 'Yes' vote is 28 higher than last time on an increased turnout. Maybe I'll wait for the official result.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:28
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If Sky's numbers are correct, the maximum number of votes cast is 6537, which leaves around 3,400 (per DH's missive) who didn't vote.

I'm sorry but that is pathetic. Around 1/3 of BASSA members do not have the wherewithal to have a say in their own futures, and blindly pay subs to BASSA regardless. How can these people be trusted to make safety-critical decisions?
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:28
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21 January 2011 - Last invalid vote


British Airways cabin crew members of Unite have voted in support of industrial action by a huge margin.
Unite balloted 10,220 cabin crew. They voted as follows on the question “are you prepared to take part in strike action”:
  • Number of ballot papers returned = 7,335
  • Number of ballot papers found to be invalid = 5
  • Total number of papers counted = 7,330
  • Number voting YES = 5,751 (78.5% of valid vote)
  • Number voting NO = 1,579 (21.5%)

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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:28
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PCCC members

I think the 200 number must have arisen at the time of the offense i.e. yonks ago. The tribunal would only be able to ask for numbers at the time of 'porn redirection scam'. Not its business to know the numbers now which are far higher I believe. Highflyer might pop in to help on this one.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:30
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Maybe the Christmas period influenced a slight dip in the previous ballot?

I wasn't expecting the Yes vote to stay broadly constant. That's a pretty strong hardcore that's not giving in.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:45
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understood to have voted eight to one
From news sites:

5,811 crew voted for strike action, and 1,170 voted against. Turnout was 72% and only four voting papers returned were invalid.
So, can someone explain where the "8 to 1 in favour" claim has come from when my calculator says 4.967 - 1? And that's before we consider the small matter of the amount who actually voted and compare that to the actual membership (around 9701, by my reckoning) and the actual number of crew.

Guess it's time for some seriously ridiculous claims from Bassacolytes regarding "8 to 1".....
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:52
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have voted eight to one in favour of strike action?

Simples!

1100 vote NO.

Number balloted say 10000

8 x 1100 = 8900

8 to 1 didn't vote no so are in favour of strike action!

Ha. It's a gift I have.
P.S.
As Len says:
Of the just under 10,000 crew polled, some 83 per cent of the 6,981 who returned valid voting papers voted yes to strike action.!!!!!

As others might say:
About 60% of those polled voted yes. This represents roughly 45% of all cabin crew.

Last edited by mrpony; 28th Mar 2011 at 14:36.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 13:58
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Once again the turkeys have voted for christmas.

HOWEVER

They have talked the talk

BUT

Will they walk the walk?
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 14:10
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Since the last time we were screwed around by BA CC strike, costing us a days holiday, we have sworn that we will not fly BA again until the idiots, on both sides, sort this out.

The idiots, if anything, appear to be more prevalent.

I don't care whose fault or who is to blame. My money is going elsewhere, perhaps forever.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 14:11
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All these ballots were conducted by the Electoral Reform Service

0.0 _ Invalid strike vote 16 November - 14 December 2009

_____________________Total__Yes____No___Spoiled__Not returned
Number of ballot papers 12780__ 9514 ___770____2______2494
Percentages__________100%_-_74.0%__6.0%__0.01%___19.5%



1.0 _ Valid strike vote 25 Jan - 22 Feb 2010

_____________________Total__Yes____No___Spoiled__Not returned
Number of ballot papers_11691_ 7482 __1789___11______2409
Percentages__________100%_-_64.0%_15.3%__0.1%___20.6%



2.0 _ New Contract offered by BA. reported by the Electoral Reform Service on 20 July 2010

_____________________Total___Yes___No___Spoiled_Not returned
Number of ballot papers_11311__1686__3419___3______6203
Percentages__________ 100%_-15.0%_30.2%_-0.03%__54.8%



3.0 _ Flawed Strike Ballot (reported by Unite) 21 December 2010 - 21 January 2011

_____________________Total___Yes___No___Spoiled_Not returned
Number of ballot papers_10220__5751__1579___5______2885
Percentages__________ 100%_-56.3%_15.5%_-0.05%__28.2%

 
4.0 _ Consequential Strike Ballot 1 March - 28 March 2011

_____________________Total___Yes___No___Spoiled_Not returned
Number of ballot papers_-9824__5811__1170___4______2839
Percentages__________ 100%_-59.2%_11.9%_-0.04%__28.9%

The references for all these ballot numbers are listed at
http://w
ww.pprune.org/6335650-post123.html

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Old 28th Mar 2011, 14:12
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Money to burn

I won £10 on the National Lottery last Saturday evening.

I could do with a good laugh, so I think I might invest my winnings in buying a copy of the judgment handed down in Duncan Holley's Employment Tribunal appeal.

Can anyone tell me where I can obtain same, please? Copyright permitting, I could be persuaded to disseminate the full contents of the judgment here.
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