Electronic cigarettes
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hamptonne
Posts: 384
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
if someone complained regarding his smoking polluting their atmosphere he'd hit straight back complaining that their driving of a car was polluting his atmosphere.
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Often in Jersey, but mainly in the past.
Age: 79
Posts: 7,806
Received 135 Likes
on
63 Posts
We all pollute the Planet, and our environment, in various ways. I think it's the price we pay for being a developed society.
I just get a bit aggrieved when people jump on various band-wagons.
Speeding.
Litter.
Smoking.
Drinking.
Diesel emissions.
etc. etc.
I just get a bit aggrieved when people jump on various band-wagons.
Speeding.
Litter.
Smoking.
Drinking.
Diesel emissions.
etc. etc.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cloud 9
Posts: 2,948
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I get disgusted at all these BMW, 'Chelsea Tractor', etc. type car owners/drivers, I'd like some of the world's resources to be left for my children. grandchildren etc, I, myself, drive a 998cc car, you should all be ashamed of yourselves and you have no grounds to gripe at an e-cigarette smoker or few!
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Often in Jersey, but mainly in the past.
Age: 79
Posts: 7,806
Received 135 Likes
on
63 Posts
@ Phileas Fogg ...
I own a "Chelsea Tractor" with a 3.5L V6 engine ... which I drive for less than 1,000 miles a year.
How many miles does your 'ecological' 998cc do each year?
I bet my motoring carbon footprint is smaller than yours
I am also disgusted by people wearing beards and sandals telling me how to live my life.
I own a "Chelsea Tractor" with a 3.5L V6 engine ... which I drive for less than 1,000 miles a year.
How many miles does your 'ecological' 998cc do each year?
I bet my motoring carbon footprint is smaller than yours
I am also disgusted by people wearing beards and sandals telling me how to live my life.
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: UK
Age: 39
Posts: 86
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's a shame that even smokers (like myself) don't actually realise how small their addiction is. Despite sometimes smoking 20 a day, I can also go for a day or so without even thinking about it. I've smoked for 10 years so don't try and tell me I don't have an addiction...
When you sleep your body manages quite nicely without smoking, the craving doesn't even wake you. Most people can even make it downstairs and put the kettle on or be on their way to the bus stop before lighting up - after a good 8-12 hours without a smoke.
The point I'm try to make is ANYONE can go for an UNLIMITED amount of time without smoking... It is not a basic human need. If you actually think about it (if you're a smoker) the craving isn't THAT bad. You feel it, but you deal with it.
A certain best selling quit smoking book goes further into these points and I recommend it.
In the mean time, start thinking about how your life is being dominated by a drug if you can't manage 12 hours on a plane and think SERIOUSLY about how that makes you feel.
One more point (from the book) ..... The very act of smoking is to make the smoker feel like a NON-smoker does.... The non-smoker does not have any craving, just like the smoker doesn't after finishing their cigarette. Crazy right?!
Kind of makes you think about cutting out the middle man and just feeling like a non-smoker all the time...
When you sleep your body manages quite nicely without smoking, the craving doesn't even wake you. Most people can even make it downstairs and put the kettle on or be on their way to the bus stop before lighting up - after a good 8-12 hours without a smoke.
The point I'm try to make is ANYONE can go for an UNLIMITED amount of time without smoking... It is not a basic human need. If you actually think about it (if you're a smoker) the craving isn't THAT bad. You feel it, but you deal with it.
A certain best selling quit smoking book goes further into these points and I recommend it.
In the mean time, start thinking about how your life is being dominated by a drug if you can't manage 12 hours on a plane and think SERIOUSLY about how that makes you feel.
One more point (from the book) ..... The very act of smoking is to make the smoker feel like a NON-smoker does.... The non-smoker does not have any craving, just like the smoker doesn't after finishing their cigarette. Crazy right?!
Kind of makes you think about cutting out the middle man and just feeling like a non-smoker all the time...
Addiction
Well if you can comfortably go without for a day I don't think you do have an addiction (having smoked for 45 years I claim more knowledge !). You are however right that it is entirely possible to manage without for even long haul, it's all a question of the right frame of mind. Not exactly like going over the top in the Somme is it lads ?
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cloud 9
Posts: 2,948
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well I have been using my real cigarettes up over recent days inbetween puffs on my e-cig, I smoked my last cigarette last evening and today has solely been my e-cig.
I live a 2 minute walk from Tesco's cigarette counter, yes I am just the other side of Tesco's car park, I've had some urges to nip across there today but think I'm over those now and I'll hopefully stick to my e-cig.
And I've been smoking circa 35 years!
I live a 2 minute walk from Tesco's cigarette counter, yes I am just the other side of Tesco's car park, I've had some urges to nip across there today but think I'm over those now and I'll hopefully stick to my e-cig.
And I've been smoking circa 35 years!
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Confoederatio Helvetica
Age: 68
Posts: 2,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well done PF
Congratulations ... 
you are well on your way to kicking your addiction. It is difficult, but not impossible. Even I did it!
I found the patches helped, but regardless KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! (sorry for shouting)
you are well on your way to kicking your addiction. It is difficult, but not impossible. Even I did it!I found the patches helped, but regardless KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! (sorry for shouting)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cloud 9
Posts: 2,948
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks ExXB,
Forget patches, these e-cigs are fab, you still have something to twiddle in your hand, something to puff at, get a 'throat hit' from, inhale etc, it's not actually that difficult because I'm still getting my nicotine fix but without all the other nasties that cigarettes contain.
Out of habit I'm finding myself reaching for a packet of fags that isn't there, it is now 2100, Tesco's is open until 2359, but I won't be going across there!
Forget patches, these e-cigs are fab, you still have something to twiddle in your hand, something to puff at, get a 'throat hit' from, inhale etc, it's not actually that difficult because I'm still getting my nicotine fix but without all the other nasties that cigarettes contain.
Out of habit I'm finding myself reaching for a packet of fags that isn't there, it is now 2100, Tesco's is open until 2359, but I won't be going across there!
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Often in Jersey, but mainly in the past.
Age: 79
Posts: 7,806
Received 135 Likes
on
63 Posts
Well done, P F.
I'll admit that we both still mix the 'real thing' with the e-cigs, but try to ensure that the real cigs are in a different room instead if immediately to hand!
I'll admit that we both still mix the 'real thing' with the e-cigs, but try to ensure that the real cigs are in a different room instead if immediately to hand!
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Uk
Posts: 191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I don't smoke. Quit 15 months ago from 40/day to nothing by willpower. Since stopping I have become really sensitive to the smell of smoke, probably from the guilt of knowing that I inflicted it on my nearest and dearest for 25 years.
So E-cigs are banned, what about inhalators?
People don't want the risk of breathing in minute traces of nicotine fumes (odourless and tasteless) whilst sitting on an aircraft? You don't care about all of the bacteria and viruses being concentrated in the recycled cabin air? Or the fumes from burned JET A1 coming through the vents?
E-cigs are banned probably because of the risk of upsetting other smokers and causing a riot, or the risk of fire, Either way they are banned for a sensible reason.
If people are worried about the quality of their cabin air then I would suggest people with a diet rich in brussel sprouts and pickled eggs would pose a greater risk and ought to be banned from all long haul flights.
And I am a born-again anti-smoking Nazi at this moment in time!
So E-cigs are banned, what about inhalators?
People don't want the risk of breathing in minute traces of nicotine fumes (odourless and tasteless) whilst sitting on an aircraft? You don't care about all of the bacteria and viruses being concentrated in the recycled cabin air? Or the fumes from burned JET A1 coming through the vents?
E-cigs are banned probably because of the risk of upsetting other smokers and causing a riot, or the risk of fire, Either way they are banned for a sensible reason.
If people are worried about the quality of their cabin air then I would suggest people with a diet rich in brussel sprouts and pickled eggs would pose a greater risk and ought to be banned from all long haul flights.
And I am a born-again anti-smoking Nazi at this moment in time!
Smoking isn't a necessity. It's a smelly habit and it's bad for your health. You don't need to smoke. You are not 'addicted' - you just have a lack of will power and you don't respect others. If you can't lay off the ciggies for a few hours whilst on a 'plane then you are a pathetic loser. Honestly.
I smoke, sometimes, since I was 18, I can go for days or weeks without smoking or can do a pack in a night whilst out on the lash.
I now understand airlines banning smoking, It stinks, it upsets others. Its a safety risk. If people saw someone 'lighting up' with some faux cigarette it would cause some people ill feeling, others would take it as an excuse to light real cigarettes, it would be an unnecessary confusion as to if you can smoke or not on a 'plane. It has a potential to cause irritation and rile fellow passengers. Disharmony in the cabin is not conducive to cabin safety.
People are bothered about smoke & smoking - it's visible - there is a lot of information out there. Far less so about jet fuel fumes and the air quality in the cabin. Anyway - smoking is the visible and obvious action of one or two people on the many; its a selfish little bad habit not the last drink of water before you cross a dry dessert.
For a few hours, man up a tiny little bit and lay off the nipple substitute.
I smoke, sometimes, since I was 18, I can go for days or weeks without smoking or can do a pack in a night whilst out on the lash.
I now understand airlines banning smoking, It stinks, it upsets others. Its a safety risk. If people saw someone 'lighting up' with some faux cigarette it would cause some people ill feeling, others would take it as an excuse to light real cigarettes, it would be an unnecessary confusion as to if you can smoke or not on a 'plane. It has a potential to cause irritation and rile fellow passengers. Disharmony in the cabin is not conducive to cabin safety.
People are bothered about smoke & smoking - it's visible - there is a lot of information out there. Far less so about jet fuel fumes and the air quality in the cabin. Anyway - smoking is the visible and obvious action of one or two people on the many; its a selfish little bad habit not the last drink of water before you cross a dry dessert.
For a few hours, man up a tiny little bit and lay off the nipple substitute.
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Often in Jersey, but mainly in the past.
Age: 79
Posts: 7,806
Received 135 Likes
on
63 Posts
There seems to be a lot of focus on e-cigs on aircraft and individuals not being to survive a long-haul sector.
I would like to be supportive of my fellow smokers who are, at some personal expense, trying to reduce their "smoke footprint" by using e-cigs where permitted. We are not bad people.
I would like to be supportive of my fellow smokers who are, at some personal expense, trying to reduce their "smoke footprint" by using e-cigs where permitted. We are not bad people.
Join Date: Feb 1998
Location: Formerly of Nam
Posts: 1,595
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Smoking an electronic cigarette is like shagging a rubber doll - it'll have to do till you get the real thing again.
Do the outfits who ban e-cigs give any practical reasons? Or are they simply saying " Nah, we dont even like watching you smoking" ?
Do the outfits who ban e-cigs give any practical reasons? Or are they simply saying " Nah, we dont even like watching you smoking" ?
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cloud 9
Posts: 2,948
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Slasher,
Actually, it's been 7 days for me now without the 'real thing' whilst, as you put it, I've been shagging a rubber doll.
I took a few days of transitioning from real fags and then I went totally e-cig, I use Marlboro e-Liquid and once tasted one realises that a real fag gives the same taste as the liquid aswell as cancer and one hell of a hole in one's pocket etc.
I can understand the airlines not allowing it, if you were sitting a few rows behind an e-smoker seeing clouds of smoke/vapour emitting then you'd be excused for believing they were smoking!
But there are ways around it, it only emits a water vapour that one can swallow, they are virtually odourless etc. however, a week in to smoking e-cigs I can feel the addiction lessening which should make it much easier to survive a long-haul flight without a craving.
Actually, it's been 7 days for me now without the 'real thing' whilst, as you put it, I've been shagging a rubber doll.
I took a few days of transitioning from real fags and then I went totally e-cig, I use Marlboro e-Liquid and once tasted one realises that a real fag gives the same taste as the liquid aswell as cancer and one hell of a hole in one's pocket etc.
I can understand the airlines not allowing it, if you were sitting a few rows behind an e-smoker seeing clouds of smoke/vapour emitting then you'd be excused for believing they were smoking!
But there are ways around it, it only emits a water vapour that one can swallow, they are virtually odourless etc. however, a week in to smoking e-cigs I can feel the addiction lessening which should make it much easier to survive a long-haul flight without a craving.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
sorry go to off topic a bit...
But I was at Bournemouth airport a few weeks ago and the sign in the landside smoking area said something along the lines of "There is an additional smoking area located airside".
Do any other UK airports still have an airside smoking area? Balcony somewhere?
But I was at Bournemouth airport a few weeks ago and the sign in the landside smoking area said something along the lines of "There is an additional smoking area located airside".
Do any other UK airports still have an airside smoking area? Balcony somewhere?
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cloud 9
Posts: 2,948
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just an update,
I was a seriously addicted smoker, thanks to the OP of this thread I learned of e-cigs and it has now been a month since I smoked tobacco.
Please allow me to stress to all you smokers out there, particularly UK smokers, don't pay for these 'very vocal' anti-smoker's National Health Service etc. by your purchasing of cigarettes, I've guesstimated that I would spend/smoke, over the next 12 months, circa £4,380.00 yet with e-cigs (e-liquid and equipment) I will spend a mere £200.00 and without risk/damage to my health.
Let these very vocal anti-smokers pay their own taxes rather than us 'smokers' subsidising them!
I was a seriously addicted smoker, thanks to the OP of this thread I learned of e-cigs and it has now been a month since I smoked tobacco.
Please allow me to stress to all you smokers out there, particularly UK smokers, don't pay for these 'very vocal' anti-smoker's National Health Service etc. by your purchasing of cigarettes, I've guesstimated that I would spend/smoke, over the next 12 months, circa £4,380.00 yet with e-cigs (e-liquid and equipment) I will spend a mere £200.00 and without risk/damage to my health.
Let these very vocal anti-smokers pay their own taxes rather than us 'smokers' subsidising them!
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
Join Date: May 2007
Location: On the western edge of The Moor
Age: 67
Posts: 1,100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well done, I gave up on June 1st with the help of Lozenges. Stopped using them after 6 weeks.
Not smoked or needed one since
Not smoked or needed one since