Ryanair wants to sell tickets to STAND UP and fly
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Ryanair wants to sell tickets to STAND UP and fly
Now Ryanair wants to sell tickets to STAND UP and fly: Airline to charge £4 for 'vertical seating'
Chief executive Michael O'Leary said safety testing for 'vertical seating' will take place next year, and the airline will also introduce a fee of £1 to use the lavatory. The plan is to remove the back ten rows of seats from the carrier's 250 planes and replace them with 15 rows of vertical seats. Two toilets at the back could also be removed to free up even more space.
Is this for real!.Do you think this will go ahead?
Chief executive Michael O'Leary said safety testing for 'vertical seating' will take place next year, and the airline will also introduce a fee of £1 to use the lavatory. The plan is to remove the back ten rows of seats from the carrier's 250 planes and replace them with 15 rows of vertical seats. Two toilets at the back could also be removed to free up even more space. Is this for real!.Do you think this will go ahead?
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I think it was China's Spring airline that first had the idea early 2009 and have asked Boeing and Airbus to look at the idea.....Of course if it ever got licensed Ryan Air would jump at it...Standing-Room-Only Seats: The Photos
The final insult eh!??
The final insult eh!??
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Haven't you worked out yet that MoL and his denizens are past masters at thinking up outrageous things to get free publicity? Or do you believe (and propogate) every hare-brained idea you come across without stopping to think about it first?
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This story was all over the media a year ago (July 6th to be precise).
It was nothing more than an opportunistic publicity stunt. There is no way such 'seats' would ever be cretified for crash-worthiness, aircraft capacities are strictly regulated according to the number of exits - it can not happen and O'Leary knows this perfectly well - but hey, why turn down the opportunity to get Ryanair's name in the press.
It was nothing more than an opportunistic publicity stunt. There is no way such 'seats' would ever be cretified for crash-worthiness, aircraft capacities are strictly regulated according to the number of exits - it can not happen and O'Leary knows this perfectly well - but hey, why turn down the opportunity to get Ryanair's name in the press.
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My girlfriend used to work in the head office in Dublin and this is just another publicity stunt. Boeing refused to even look into charging for the toilet, and as stated above, standing "seats" would never get the green light from regulators.
I flew Ryanair as SLF from Faro on Monday and they were charging €20 per kg over, and €70 to checkin a new bag at the airport. NEVER AGAIN.
I flew Ryanair as SLF from Faro on Monday and they were charging €20 per kg over, and €70 to checkin a new bag at the airport. NEVER AGAIN.
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why dont you just drug them into unconsciousness. Stack them like in a freighter fuselage. No need to serve drinks or make PA's, and the pile of bodies will keep warm without aircraft heating. Upon landing, lay the passengers out in the rain on the ramp until they wake up. By that time, the checked luggage may be ready for pickup.
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Surely an aircraft is limited to the number of pax it can carry whether they standing ,lying down or whatever,, Ridiculous !!
Appendix J to Part 25—Emergency Evacuation
The following test criteria and procedures must be used for showing compliance with §25.803:
(a) The emergency evacuation must be conducted with exterior ambient light levels of no greater than 0.3 foot-candles prior to the activation of the airplane emergency lighting system. The source(s) of the initial exterior ambient light level may remain active or illuminated during the actual demonstration. There must, however, be no increase in the exterior ambient light level except for that due to activation of the airplane emergency lighting system.
(b) The airplane must be in a normal attitude with landing gear extended.
(c) Unless the airplane is equipped with an off-wing descent means, stands or ramps may be used for descent from the wing to the ground. Safety equipment such as mats or inverted life rafts may be placed on the floor or ground to protect participants. No other equipment that is not part of the emergency evacuation equipment of the airplane may be used to aid the participants in reaching the ground.
(d) Except as provided in paragraph (a) of this appendix, only the airplane's emergency lighting system may provide illumination.
(e) All emergency equipment required for the planned operation of the airplane must be installed.
(f) Each internal door or curtain must be in the takeoff configuration.
(g) Each crewmember must be seated in the normally assigned seat for takeoff and must remain in the seat until receiving the signal for commencement of the demonstration. Each crewmember must be a person having knowledge of the operation of exits and emergency equipment and, if compliance with §121.291 is also being demonstrated, each flight attendant must be a member of a regularly scheduled line crew.
(h) A representative passenger load of persons in normal health must be used as follows:
(1) At least 40 percent of the passenger load must be female.
(2) At least 35 percent of the passenger load must be over 50 years of age.
(3) At least 15 percent of the passenger load must be female and over 50 years of age.
(4) Three life-size dolls, not included as part of the total passenger load, must be carried by passengers to simulate live infants 2 years old or younger.
(5) Crewmembers, mechanics, and training personnel, who maintain or operate the airplane in the normal course of their duties, may not be used as passengers.
(i) No passenger may be assigned a specific seat except as the Administrator may require. Except as required by subparagraph (g) of this paragraph, no employee of the applicant may be seated next to an emergency exit.
(j) Seat belts and shoulder harnesses (as required) must be fastened.
(k) Before the start of the demonstration, approximately one-half of the total average amount of carry-on baggage, blankets, pillows, and other similar articles must be distributed at several locations in aisles and emergency exit access ways to create minor obstructions.
(l) No prior indication may be given to any crewmember or passenger of the particular exits to be used in the demonstration.
(m) The applicant may not practice, rehearse, or describe the demonstration for the participants nor may any participant have taken part in this type of demonstration within the preceding 6 months.
(n) Prior to entering the demonstration aircraft, the passengers may also be advised to follow directions of crewmembers but may not be instructed on the procedures to be followed in the demonstration, except with respect to safety procedures in place for the demonstration or which have to do with the demonstration site. Prior to the start of the demonstration, the pre-takeoff passenger briefing required by §121.571 may be given. Flight attendants may assign demonstration subjects to assist persons from the bottom of a slide, consistent with their approved training program.
(o) The airplane must be configured to prevent disclosure of the active emergency exits to demonstration participants in the airplane until the start of the demonstration.
(p) Exits used in the demonstration must consist of one exit from each exit pair. The demonstration may be conducted with the escape slides, if provided, inflated and the exits open at the beginning of the demonstration. In this case, all exits must be configured such that the active exits are not disclosed to the occupants. If this method is used, the exit preparation time for each exit utilized must be accounted for, and exits that are not to be used in the demonstration must not be indicated before the demonstration has started. The exits to be used must be representative of all of the emergency exits on the airplane and must be designated by the applicant, subject to approval by the Administrator. At least one floor level exit must be used.
(q) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, all evacuees must leave the airplane by a means provided as part of the airplane's equipment.
(r) The applicant's approved procedures must be fully utilized, except the flightcrew must take no active role in assisting others inside the cabin during the demonstration.
(s) The evacuation time period is completed when the last occupant has evacuated the airplane and is on the ground. Provided that the acceptance rate of the stand or ramp is no greater than the acceptance rate of the means available on the airplane for descent from the wing during an actual crash situation, evacuees using stands or ramps allowed by paragraph (c) of this appendix are considered to be on the ground when they are on the stand or ramp.
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The work on the "Standing chair" is all fine and well, its been around for a while.
The issue is whether the airframe as it currently exists (and as we're talking FR it'll be 737-800) can accommodate the evacuation of the the increased number of passengers, an extra 30 in this case (5 extra rows x 6 "seats" each), within the 90 seconds allowed using only half the exits. And, who's paying for the recertification?
I'm sure there's someone here who can (and will) correct me if I'm wrong, that 800 is certified for 189 pax. But when Boeing pushed for the 200+ pax 739 they needed to add a door on each side to the design to accommodate evacuation times.
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The issue is whether the airframe as it currently exists (and as we're talking FR it'll be 737-800) can accommodate the evacuation of the the increased number of passengers, an extra 30 in this case (5 extra rows x 6 "seats" each), within the 90 seconds allowed using only half the exits. And, who's paying for the recertification?
I'm sure there's someone here who can (and will) correct me if I'm wrong, that 800 is certified for 189 pax. But when Boeing pushed for the 200+ pax 739 they needed to add a door on each side to the design to accommodate evacuation times.
JAS
or you could just drug them into unconsciousness. Stack 'em like cordwood in a freighter fuselage. No need to serve drinks or make PA's, and the pile of bodies will keep warm without aircraft heating. Upon landing, lay the passengers out in the rain on the ramp until they wake up. By that time, the checked luggage may be ready for pickup.
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This is pure spin from Ryanair, but it begs the question why the marketing departments from places like centre parcs are not pouncing on how crazy all this has become. A nice advertising campaign focusing on the whole 2010 airline experience, fronting up to MOL could work out really well in my opinion.
(UK centric example I know......but you know what I mean)
(UK centric example I know......but you know what I mean)
This is the same MOL who has said, apropos of a possible visit to the R of Ireland by HM the Queen, that he would be pleased to carry her for free, and that furthermore he would waive baggage charges.
Now I suppose there are some idiots who will fall for this joke as well.
Mind you, he would probably sting HM for not having done her online check-in.
Now I suppose there are some idiots who will fall for this joke as well.
Mind you, he would probably sting HM for not having done her online check-in.