BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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Quite.
Some comments here: BBC - Radio 5 live - 5 live Connect
I see the bassa faithful are out in force.
Some comments here: BBC - Radio 5 live - 5 live Connect
I see the bassa faithful are out in force.
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From: NZ
At the end off the day, Bassa wil roll-over. BA will succeed, more strikes will only pre-empt that. The writing is on the wall, the only ones that cannot see it are the Bassa followers.
As I said more than 6 months ago, market forces do apply and unfortunately BA CC only meet the minimum standard.
It is a great shame the CC make the the choice of using Pilots as their main scape goat, but there really is zero comparison, whether it be in terms of representation, deals struck (or not) or skill set. its a no brainer.
Makes not a jot of difference if the cabin crew strike or not ( though probably better if they did to further BA's cause in progression to solution). At the end of the day they are not able to influence the final outcome (other than in a negative matter for themselves).
As I said more than 6 months ago, market forces do apply and unfortunately BA CC only meet the minimum standard.
It is a great shame the CC make the the choice of using Pilots as their main scape goat, but there really is zero comparison, whether it be in terms of representation, deals struck (or not) or skill set. its a no brainer.
Makes not a jot of difference if the cabin crew strike or not ( though probably better if they did to further BA's cause in progression to solution). At the end of the day they are not able to influence the final outcome (other than in a negative matter for themselves).
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From: Often in Jersey, but mainly in the past.
It reads as though there are a lot of unhappy pax whose plans and dreams are potentially being trashed by BASSA - is it any wonder there's little public sympathy on offer?
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From: Thailand
When someone can post a link to the R5 programme I'd be grateful. It's always interesting listening to the tosh these BASSA fools trot out.
I hope the Beeb contact someone from the PCCC <sp?> for their take on the last moronic UNITE/BASSA suicide mission.
I hope the Beeb contact someone from the PCCC <sp?> for their take on the last moronic UNITE/BASSA suicide mission.
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From: SALISBURY
ChicoG
BBC - BBC Radio 5 live Programmes - Victoria Derbyshire - Episodes available now on BBC iPlayer
This is the link to Victoria Derbyshire's page on the BBC Player. Just click on the listen now link on today's programme.That should work for you.
The interview with Holley begins 13 minutes into the programme. There are various contributions throughout the remainder of the programme.
Be ready to take a cold shower once you've finished, you'll need it!
For those who are unable to listen, Holley says 'that he was fired because BA recognised his voice from his comments on the BBC during the strike.'
I thought he was fired for illegally taking time off to attend to union duties.
This is the link to Victoria Derbyshire's page on the BBC Player. Just click on the listen now link on today's programme.That should work for you.
The interview with Holley begins 13 minutes into the programme. There are various contributions throughout the remainder of the programme.
Be ready to take a cold shower once you've finished, you'll need it!
For those who are unable to listen, Holley says 'that he was fired because BA recognised his voice from his comments on the BBC during the strike.'
I thought he was fired for illegally taking time off to attend to union duties.
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From: There and here
I can fully appreciate that the CC on older contracts would be very unwilling to see their work conditions changed and remuneration(s) with it, but times have changed and perhaps not for the better. Facts are that cost savings are urgently needed and unfortunately the CC branch are prime candidates to be 'pruned'. Further industrial actions will only make the participants feel that they went out with their heads held high, roaring like lions instead of squeaking like mice. And then WW et al will prune them from the BA tree and life will go on. The writing is on the wall.
As an aside, I took a long haul round trip with BA recently and it was during the strike periods. Strangely the outward bound flight with 'volunteers' was perhaps the most laid back and pleasant flight i've ever had with them, only no warm food souring the experience. The return was with normal CC and was noticeably less 'friendly'. Perhaps stressed by the strike situation, who knows, but as a paying customer my expectations were not met.
I used to work in an industry where wages and job perks were cut drastically. It was not a pleasant experience to see the monies re-distributed to others at the time, yet now with a bit of time to see the wood from the trees it was inevitable and i wish that i might have saved myself much anguish by accepting it earlier on instead of fighting and wasting energy. Love him, hate him, but WW was hired to do a job that he had experience in and he will carry it through on the orders of the directors
Good luck!
SHJ
As an aside, I took a long haul round trip with BA recently and it was during the strike periods. Strangely the outward bound flight with 'volunteers' was perhaps the most laid back and pleasant flight i've ever had with them, only no warm food souring the experience. The return was with normal CC and was noticeably less 'friendly'. Perhaps stressed by the strike situation, who knows, but as a paying customer my expectations were not met.
I used to work in an industry where wages and job perks were cut drastically. It was not a pleasant experience to see the monies re-distributed to others at the time, yet now with a bit of time to see the wood from the trees it was inevitable and i wish that i might have saved myself much anguish by accepting it earlier on instead of fighting and wasting energy. Love him, hate him, but WW was hired to do a job that he had experience in and he will carry it through on the orders of the directors
Good luck!SHJ
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From: Thailand
Duncan Thicket
Dear oh dear. In fairness, he admitted that he was fired for not turning up for work, but had the audacity to say that his first responsibility was to the Union!
Of course, being off work during industrial action exempts him from losing his ST, doesn't it?
I listened to his rampant lies, then some bimbo quoting the "81%", then someone from Flight Ops who challenged him to produce evidence of his claims such as Walsh trying to turn BA into an LCC.
Holley talked at a million miles an hour, trying to get as many ludicrous, out of context or false statements in as he could. Epic Fail.
The bimbo challenged the guy from Flight Ops for his use of the phrase "Food Chain" and where CC fit on it, asking if that meant he was superior to her?
Luv, I know Nurses ten years younger than you that are superior to you.
So nothing new really, these airheads will keep trotting out the same nonsense and eventually BA will weed them out.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Funniest bit was Holley saying how much they'll miss him because he was "in charge of the database". What, the one that you f**ked up for the first strike, Duncan?
Of course, being off work during industrial action exempts him from losing his ST, doesn't it?
I listened to his rampant lies, then some bimbo quoting the "81%", then someone from Flight Ops who challenged him to produce evidence of his claims such as Walsh trying to turn BA into an LCC.
Holley talked at a million miles an hour, trying to get as many ludicrous, out of context or false statements in as he could. Epic Fail.
The bimbo challenged the guy from Flight Ops for his use of the phrase "Food Chain" and where CC fit on it, asking if that meant he was superior to her?
Luv, I know Nurses ten years younger than you that are superior to you.
So nothing new really, these airheads will keep trotting out the same nonsense and eventually BA will weed them out.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Funniest bit was Holley saying how much they'll miss him because he was "in charge of the database". What, the one that you f**ked up for the first strike, Duncan?
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From: UK
BA have added some more info to their site and my booking now has the option to rebook. I called BA and Thursday/Friday they should release the flight status', but I have managed to rebook to just outside the strike last dates, so hopefully this will be safe.
I wish all the CC and VCC the best of luck and much encouragement to keep BA flying during the strike periods
I wish all the CC and VCC the best of luck and much encouragement to keep BA flying during the strike periods
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I have just listened to it, and I am appalled at the bias shown to DH and the strikers. His mic should have been muted whilst others were on the line. Then, when the voice of dissent is raised, and very reasonably by a BA Flight Attendant, DH calls her a management plant. Such credibility DH!
Finally, as our FA is scoring some real points off DH, Victoria Derbyshire cuts her off and ends the piece. Typical BBC left-wing bias yet again.
Finally, as our FA is scoring some real points off DH, Victoria Derbyshire cuts her off and ends the piece. Typical BBC left-wing bias yet again.
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From: Abu Dhabi
One or two pro-strikers on the CC thread were moaning about the pilots getting share options......correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Unite turn this possibility down right at the very start? i.e. Early 2009...
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From: Dunno, the sat nav is busted.
With a bit of luck this will be another nail in the unions coffin. As for the strikers? sack them as soon as its legal to do so, there's 2000+ RBS workers out of jobs who would, no doubt, happily take their jobs.
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From: Dublin
Contingency
I'm due to fly from Delhi to Heathrow on the 1st of June. I'm not in the UK so not up to date with what the contingency plans are.
On ba.com it is just saying the flight schedule will be released on the 25th of May.
What is the likelihood that by flight will go as planned.
During the last strike what was the outcome of the contingency plans - did they really work as well as ba claimed or were loads of longhaul flights cancelled.
Thanks.
On ba.com it is just saying the flight schedule will be released on the 25th of May.
What is the likelihood that by flight will go as planned.
During the last strike what was the outcome of the contingency plans - did they really work as well as ba claimed or were loads of longhaul flights cancelled.
Thanks.
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From: Cardiff
My experience in the last strike was that thye just consoildated and kept us flying. In fact the only impact I suffered was a free upgrade to 1st class from Biz which was very nice.
Also as I have said before there was a great spirit on the plane with enthusiastic volunteers and more importantly none of the miseld militants hell bent on destroying the airline and delivering poor service.
Also as I have said before there was a great spirit on the plane with enthusiastic volunteers and more importantly none of the miseld militants hell bent on destroying the airline and delivering poor service.