assisting disabled passengers in an emergency
It seems therefore that we have come back to the beginning, evacuating the 10 AB passengers first, before the disabled passenger.
The only issue here (starting on our plan of action as recommended) is that this seems to mean it is therefore appropriate to seat these passengers far from the exits, at the midpoint between them, and on a widebody in the centre seats, so any emergency evac will be in a "logcal order". Which is the opposite of what many expect. There is still a widespread belief among passengers that those disabled should get the emergency exit seats, which is not always rebutted by the crew on board, but even then pax are often allocated the next row, to be "close" to the door. Should this be changed ?
It costs the airframe manufacturer a fortune to design and manufacture the emergency exit provision (it was a key reason behind how the A380 turned out the particular shape it is), and there is also a very large operating cost in all the crew training, etc. There needs to therefore be some more thought given to where passengers of differing mobility standards are actually placed relative to these exits, to use them most effectively.
The only issue here (starting on our plan of action as recommended) is that this seems to mean it is therefore appropriate to seat these passengers far from the exits, at the midpoint between them, and on a widebody in the centre seats, so any emergency evac will be in a "logcal order". Which is the opposite of what many expect. There is still a widespread belief among passengers that those disabled should get the emergency exit seats, which is not always rebutted by the crew on board, but even then pax are often allocated the next row, to be "close" to the door. Should this be changed ?
It costs the airframe manufacturer a fortune to design and manufacture the emergency exit provision (it was a key reason behind how the A380 turned out the particular shape it is), and there is also a very large operating cost in all the crew training, etc. There needs to therefore be some more thought given to where passengers of differing mobility standards are actually placed relative to these exits, to use them most effectively.
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Seating passengers with reduced mobility near but not at an exit does make sense. If they need assistance evacuating, after the other passengers have evacuated, then they are handy for the door, to be assisted. Otherwise the crew member or rescue personnel would have to, as you suggest, walk into the mid-cabin, which could put their lives at risk.
If they are near the door and ready to go, it's safer for all concerned. If the crew member is incapacitated, they are more visible to others who may be able to assist them off. If absolutely necessary and the only option was to crawl or drag themselves to the exit, it would be one or two rows as opposed to 7-10 rows.
If they are near the door and ready to go, it's safer for all concerned. If the crew member is incapacitated, they are more visible to others who may be able to assist them off. If absolutely necessary and the only option was to crawl or drag themselves to the exit, it would be one or two rows as opposed to 7-10 rows.
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As a pair of pensioners, we have always had "a plan" ... perhaps because we're both ex-military?
I, being stronger and bigger, will drag my wife [if necessary] to the nearest exit [routes pre-planned, we ALWAYS read the cards and listen to the briefing].
If anyone is in our way through obvious disability, we'll drag them with us to the best of our ability. Anyone trying to retrieve their kit from the overhead lockers will be flattened to the floor. Tough world, isn't it!
We brief every time we fly. I'm a boring old git.
I, being stronger and bigger, will drag my wife [if necessary] to the nearest exit [routes pre-planned, we ALWAYS read the cards and listen to the briefing].
If anyone is in our way through obvious disability, we'll drag them with us to the best of our ability. Anyone trying to retrieve their kit from the overhead lockers will be flattened to the floor. Tough world, isn't it!
We brief every time we fly. I'm a boring old git.
Snap. Interestingly our backgrounds are remarkably close although we probably have not met.
He says "we'll drag them with us . . ."
Now in a crash that I am aware of this person suffered a broken thigh. At the time it was thought it was occasioned by his seat collapsing and that he was lucky. Subsequently it was determined that the break had occurred as he was assisted out of the window by a size 10 boot,
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Placing a pax that has a mobility disability ( not just legs, but could include vision as well ) would definitely benefit being closer to the exit rows. I would recommend he/she be sat closest to the exit row in an aisle seat and make sure who ever is in the exit row ahead knows of the pax respectively and discreetly. If i were in the position to assist this pax, I would try my best to evacuate this pax #3 so that 2 other pax were able to assist the disabled pax once he/she reaches the ground.
Its too bad that the airlines don't allow automatic exit row seating for those in fire/ems/police by showing proof of licensure. Chances are it won't be needed, but it will sure help ! It will also allow CC to know who to go to in the even of a medical emergency that they may require extra help. I have been on a couple flights where I did have to assist in medical emergencies and would volunteer anytime, even if i'm seated in steerage
I saw where some airline ( Lufthansa i think ) was going to give extra miles for Doctors who would respond to inflight medical emergencies if needed. That is extremely unethical and illegal in some parts of the globe to accept " gifts" for services performed. If you have the skills and training, just help !
Its too bad that the airlines don't allow automatic exit row seating for those in fire/ems/police by showing proof of licensure. Chances are it won't be needed, but it will sure help ! It will also allow CC to know who to go to in the even of a medical emergency that they may require extra help. I have been on a couple flights where I did have to assist in medical emergencies and would volunteer anytime, even if i'm seated in steerage
I saw where some airline ( Lufthansa i think ) was going to give extra miles for Doctors who would respond to inflight medical emergencies if needed. That is extremely unethical and illegal in some parts of the globe to accept " gifts" for services performed. If you have the skills and training, just help !
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As for seating geninely disabled pax, they are generally boarded first and disembarked last and seated in row 1 (for short haul) where they are near the CC and the emergency exit door rather than a small window exit.
Problems arise with those undeclared disabled pax - the size 20 plus etc who take up rather more space than the average. They should be nearer the main doors too.
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Fortunately these accidents are so infrequent as not to be something to worry about, but I'm sure that computer simulations would prove that tp maximise the number of survivors you put the more able bodied ones nearer the exits and less able bodied ones further from the exits.
Wasn't one of the lessons learned from that manchester fire on the runway is that to maximise your individual chances of survival you fight your way to the exits, going over other peoples heads if need be? Such survivors had issues with guilt afterwards, but they lived to feel that way.
Wasn't one of the lessons learned from that manchester fire on the runway is that to maximise your individual chances of survival you fight your way to the exits, going over other peoples heads if need be? Such survivors had issues with guilt afterwards, but they lived to feel that way.
