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Invasion of the Body Scanners

Old 5th Jan 2010, 21:21
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Invasion of the Body Scanners

With the advent, of the Underwear Bomber, The Scanners are arriving, contracts signed, we are really going to be safe now...

Now that the flying slave class can be dehumanized further, the aviation industry destroyed further, and the political elite prospering beyond even their own wildest imagination.

Your thoughts on aviation in the mid-term 3-5 years, just extremely curious...

Thanks...Sushi
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 21:26
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the terrorists and the socialists are overachieving in tandem!!!!!!!
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 21:28
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I am a fan of these body-scanners to be honest.
No more need to unbuckle your belt, put off shoes etc. It is really a lot more civilized and less hassle.
So what if someone sees a naked LAYOUT of me! half the world is like me, the rest as my wife. Big deal.

And to those who claim that body-scanners intervene with the anti-childporn and personal freedom legislation: Get a life!
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 21:43
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No more need to unbuckle your belt, put off shoes etc. It is really a lot more civilized and less hassle.
I must have missed the bit where they said that these measures would replace any existing ones.

Oh, hold on, is that a pig taxiing on runway 24? Why, yes it is... so I guess you're right!
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 21:54
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Until the Government grows a set and starts using profiling as a security measure, they may as well just issue these the the security staff :-



Let's face it, people who want to blow up aeroplanes and the like tend to fit a certain profile, but we couldn't single them out could we, might "offend" them !!.
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 22:54
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I must have missed the bit where they said that these measures would replace any existing ones.
Exactly, we'll soon be asked to walk through naked, just so that they can see inside.

Waste of time, the bad boys will do exactly what they want to do, precisely when they want to do it - regardless of any measures.

Remember when simple X-ray scanners were first used ? Bottles of red wine in a carry-on showed up as solid black, not one was ever questioned in my presence, so the dummy bottles full of explosive got through everytime !

What a pity the wheel was invented, if not, only prowling Dinosaurs would be all we had to worry about.
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 23:14
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Your thoughts on aviation in the mid-term 3-5 years, just extremely curious...
People will find it easier and far more enjoyable to go on holiday to North Korea than to the so-called 'Land of the Free'......
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 23:32
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Follow the Israeli pattern

The airline that has been most successful in thwarting aerial hi-jacking or bombing is the Isreali national airline - and why are they so successfuL
Profiling, profiling and more profiling. Until we shake off these "human rights" nuts all crew will have to live with terrorist risk. It will not be completely effective but it will be vastly better than the ridiculous full screening of 85 year old Caucasian ladies going to see their grandchildren in Chicago. BALPA could make this a key platform for public acceptance. Don't give these terrorists one moments peace. Hassle them, hassle their friends, hassle their families and anybody who might - just might be one themselves - male or female. You know it makes sense.
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Old 5th Jan 2010, 23:49
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Ouuchh

Anyone know what they are using in these scanners ?

What are the health issues ? As someone who is going to have to go through these many times per month I would like to know what technologies they will be using ?

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Old 6th Jan 2010, 00:25
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I guess we may see some resignations from airport security folks as some members of some societies are reportedly offended by the sight of a naked female and I guess will refuse to "man" the devices.
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 00:38
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Just a bit too convenient though, isn't it?

So, let's look at the facts:

1. The UK refuses to re-admit a Nigerian because of his connections to fundamentalist Muslim maniacs. The UK tells the US of their suspicions about this individual.
2. The CIA listens in to telephone conversations in Yemen in August that spoke of "The Nigerian".
3. A Nigerian banker goes to the US Embassy and states that his son is in Yemen, receiving training from muslim maniacs.
4. A Nigerian, using his own name, a name that was already known to the US and UK authorities, buys a one-way ticket to the US, with cash, and turns up with hand-baggage only.
5. This Nigerian, who has supposedly received training in how to blow up an airliner, then tries to detonate his bomb, not at altitude where it might have succeeded in bring the airplane down if it had exploded properly, but at low level where the airplane is barely pressurised, thus rendering a successful downing of the airliner unlikely, even if the bomb had worked.
6. The outcome: The security "industry" receives massive new funding for full-body scanners, huge budget increases for additional staff and untold new powers.

A cynic, who gets frisked every time he goes to work at the airport by a nasty little jobsworth given practically unlimited power in the interests of "security", might be forgiven for wondering whether the security industry knew this guy was coming and decided to let him through on the basis that a "spectacular" - and on Christmas Day too - was just what the industry needed to get them more funding and further unlimited power that they so badly want.

Just a thought.......
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 01:38
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It is generally people of a certain "faith" who want to blow up planes and commit acts of terrorism. Is this statement permissible? Because if not, we will never reduce the chances of further successful terrorist acts.

Clue: Roman Catholics, Jewish folk, Protestant followers, Anglicans, Buddhist people, Jehova's Witnesses, Eskimoes, Zulus, and a range of others have not perpetrated such dastardly deeds in the name of their respective faiths. ONE VERY LARGE GROUP have been singly responsible. And a couple of other Asian groups have also been guilty of such deeds. Naming no names.

Is profiling wrong?
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 01:50
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Hi,

It is generally people of a certain "faith" who want to blow up planes and commit acts of terrorism
Roman Catholic ... hmmmm
What is the faith of the I.R.A terrorists ?
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 02:01
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I would like to hear from Captains and FOs, who are being asked to decide whether SLF need to sit with their hands in their laps, can't move around, - especially last hour of the flight.

I feel sorry for cabin crew in this insane environment.
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 02:24
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I was the subject of this scanning modality twice recently: at LAX and in Mexico.

On both occasions I tripped the magnetometer due to some bits of stainless steel holding my leg together, and the next step, absent any pat down was to proceed to the scanner.

Not a problem really, hold your arms out, wait for the bars to rotate by, turn 90 degrees and repeat. The downside of course, is that it is being used as secondary screening, so when I'm not driving a corporate plane, I'm stuck with it.

I'd be much happier if I could just opt for it up front.
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 02:40
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Get the Facts Right

So, let's look at the facts:

1. The UK refuses to re-admit a Nigerian because of his connections to fundamentalist Muslim maniacs. The UK tells the US of their suspicions about this individual.
Not a fact. He was refused entry as the educational establishment he wanted to attend was considered a sham. Many people who are not terrorists work this scam to gain entry to the UK.
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 03:24
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The IRA never used Christianity as an excuse. They fought the British with the intention of creating an all Ireland republic.
Islam and Christianity are both very peaceful religions but as In everything, not just religion, people take texts from the Qur'an and the Bible out of context to suit their extremism. Small amount of people give both religions a bad name.
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 03:26
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it will create more job in security, industry, transport, maintenance, bureaucracy,...

all good for the economy.

why do you complaint?
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 05:22
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Full body scanning could be a great improvement, provided it replaces some other, more invasive measures. I would much rather be scanned by magic eyes (which seem to have no problematic radiation), rather than be patted down (especially as I will not have to look at images of myself). Of course this is security theatre, but we need a bit of security theatre so as not to make it too easy for loonies and opportunists. The more the Bad Guys have to plan, the more chance there is for intelligence services to pick up the information that will be really effective. Profiling would be good, too, as long as it's flexible. At the moment it's the Jihadis who are mostly threatening airlines, but lots of ideologies are capable of inspiring people to slaughter the innocent, not to mention the cases of aeroplanes that have been bombed to commit ordinary, old-fashioned murder. Profiling by itself won't stop everyone.
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 05:33
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European Trip Cancelled

We have decided to cancel our planned trip from Los Angeles to Manchester England which was scheduled for February.

I can no longer endure the torture of long security lines, X-rays and magnetometers and other invasions of privacy for what is basically an illusion of security offered by our TSA. It is such a sham to have pay for this luxury and then worry every minute of the 720 minute trip that our airplane will not explode. Traveling by airplane today is dreadful and I just can no longer stand it, period.

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