Safety briefs regs and checks. Who benefits and why?
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Obeying CC Instructions
Unfortunately in today's society there is always someone who thinks they either 1. know better or 2. feel that rules are for everyone else but them. HFS probably falls into the latter. It is for these two reasons that I dispute whether mobile phones can possibly have that serious an effect on an aircrafts systems. To my way of thinking, and backed up by the attitude of people like HFS, if there was a real danger with phones being left on, the onus would not be placed on the pax to switch them off. I rather fancy that they would either be removed and handed back later or at least checked to see if they were in fact off. Having said that, as a long time aviator I always pay attention to safety briefs and do exactly as I'm told by crew members.
how did I ever manage without this forum ?
you guys could start a fight in an empty room. Very entertaining but so what ? If 'they' say open the blinds whats the issue with just opening them ? Do we have to know the reason and justification for everything ? Must say that the term 'slf' is amusing enough but the general tenor across the whole forum tends to an 'educated and knowledgeable us' versus an ignorant 'them' who put money before everything and regard the crew as servants.
I hate sitting next to a high percentage of dumb, overweight, drunk, ignorant fellow passengers so don't envy anyone who has to cater to their needs and be nice to them.
I hate sitting next to a high percentage of dumb, overweight, drunk, ignorant fellow passengers so don't envy anyone who has to cater to their needs and be nice to them.
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Just to clarify a couple of disparate points for the few who may find it useful.
This website was created by two professional pilots, who intended that it should appeal to, and target professional pilots. Over the years it grew into a much more diverse site that attracted interest from beyond the initial target groups. This resulted in more forums being created to better streamline the primary interests of the wider groups being attracted to the site. This was one of the forums created as a result of that early expansion.
The forum descriptors as with many other things in pilots use of language, tends to run the spectrum from studied understatement to whimsical overstatement. The term Self loading freight is one born out of the latter. It is a whimsical statement not an attempt to insult or disrespect. Like it or not, the majority of people here would appreciate and understand the intention, even if they disliked the phrase. Paying passengers and customers, may convey the point in a more accurate, dry, and less whimsical way, but that takes away some of the flavour of the sites creation.
On to the subject of who benefits from safety briefs, regulations and checks.
A point to bear in mind is that many of the required checks fall to the Captains legal obligations to comply with the relevant statutes in a given jurisdiction, as well as the formal responsibilities that are either legislative, regulatory or company generated. For practical purposes many of these requirements have to be devolved to other crewmembers and compliance with them to the passengers on board.
As well as being a pilot, a Captain has the added responsibility for ensuring and being ultimately responsible to the relevant authority, for compliance. In order to effectively do this, the commanders responsibility and authority is granted by national law, international law and treaties, and the responsibility, authority and discretion, that is placed in the Captain by the employing company. In other words the captain has a number of legal obligations, however his authority is enshrined within that legal framework to ensure compliance.
Cabin crew act under the commanders authority in pusuit of their safety tasks and under the commanders general authority at all other material times. Obstructing or refusing to comply with their instruction then becomes a refusal to comply with the captains instruction and whatever consequences may result from that. However irksome it might sometimes be, the passenger has also contracted to comply with these requirements by accepting carrriage within the "general conditions of carriage." Your ticket is your contract, or the little box you tick online, is your acceptance. This provides the contract for civil remedy in addition to any other criminal action that may result from an offence.
Obviously 99.99% of people are aware of this generally, or with sufficient levels of common sense, such that serious problems do not arise. Likewise we accept that common sense is a two way street, and sometimes compromises may need to be made, although it may shift aspects of responsibility and liability away from those charged with ensuring compliance, to those who violate it. Taking the seatbelt sign as an example, if somebody has been instructed to keep it fastened, but elects not to, then any subsequent claim for damage resulting from that action may leave that passenger unprotected and worse still, potentially liable for damage or injury caused to others.
This website was created by two professional pilots, who intended that it should appeal to, and target professional pilots. Over the years it grew into a much more diverse site that attracted interest from beyond the initial target groups. This resulted in more forums being created to better streamline the primary interests of the wider groups being attracted to the site. This was one of the forums created as a result of that early expansion.
The forum descriptors as with many other things in pilots use of language, tends to run the spectrum from studied understatement to whimsical overstatement. The term Self loading freight is one born out of the latter. It is a whimsical statement not an attempt to insult or disrespect. Like it or not, the majority of people here would appreciate and understand the intention, even if they disliked the phrase. Paying passengers and customers, may convey the point in a more accurate, dry, and less whimsical way, but that takes away some of the flavour of the sites creation.
On to the subject of who benefits from safety briefs, regulations and checks.
A point to bear in mind is that many of the required checks fall to the Captains legal obligations to comply with the relevant statutes in a given jurisdiction, as well as the formal responsibilities that are either legislative, regulatory or company generated. For practical purposes many of these requirements have to be devolved to other crewmembers and compliance with them to the passengers on board.
As well as being a pilot, a Captain has the added responsibility for ensuring and being ultimately responsible to the relevant authority, for compliance. In order to effectively do this, the commanders responsibility and authority is granted by national law, international law and treaties, and the responsibility, authority and discretion, that is placed in the Captain by the employing company. In other words the captain has a number of legal obligations, however his authority is enshrined within that legal framework to ensure compliance.
Cabin crew act under the commanders authority in pusuit of their safety tasks and under the commanders general authority at all other material times. Obstructing or refusing to comply with their instruction then becomes a refusal to comply with the captains instruction and whatever consequences may result from that. However irksome it might sometimes be, the passenger has also contracted to comply with these requirements by accepting carrriage within the "general conditions of carriage." Your ticket is your contract, or the little box you tick online, is your acceptance. This provides the contract for civil remedy in addition to any other criminal action that may result from an offence.
Obviously 99.99% of people are aware of this generally, or with sufficient levels of common sense, such that serious problems do not arise. Likewise we accept that common sense is a two way street, and sometimes compromises may need to be made, although it may shift aspects of responsibility and liability away from those charged with ensuring compliance, to those who violate it. Taking the seatbelt sign as an example, if somebody has been instructed to keep it fastened, but elects not to, then any subsequent claim for damage resulting from that action may leave that passenger unprotected and worse still, potentially liable for damage or injury caused to others.
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No one in their right mind would object to the forum title,which is clearly tongue in cheek.
Danny and Rob put in an awful lot of free time in the early days and later and I for one appreciate that, I've been on here under two handles for over 10 years and had a lot if entertainment, as well as some useful learning.
Also, the site has achieved other great things, e.g. the bringing to justice of the 'Guvnor.'
No one in their right mind would object to the forum title,which is clearly tongue in cheek.
Danny and Rob put in an awful lot of free time in the early days and later and I for one appreciate that, I've been on here under two handles for over 10 years and had a lot if entertainment, as well as some useful learning.
Also, the site has achieved other great things, e.g. the bringing to justice of the 'Guvnor.'
Paxing All Over The World
It's a long story and not really for me to tell but, essentially, a bad man was masquerading as a pilot in order to gain (false) credibility with others. He went to prison, with part of the evidence from PPRuNErs of repute.. Others may tell you more of the story.
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Mr Optimistic
You can read all about it, here....
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/9...neil+robertson
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/1018...gets-life.html
You can read all about it, here....
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/9...neil+robertson
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/1018...gets-life.html
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Christmas Pud Burning!
The only reason (SFAIK) that the brandy on an Xmas pud can be made to ignite is by heating the brandy in a large spoon; it then gives off alcohol fumes which can be easily lit as they are much higher 'proof' than the bottle contents. The alcohol boils off at a lower temp than the more aquatic elements of the drink.
