Potential Amish Hasidic Hijack foiled by alert nervous pax not saying anything
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Potential Amish Hasidic Hijack foiled by alert nervous pax not saying anything
I dont know how common this is but on my VS flight EWR to LHR we had Amish who, as soon as the belt signs went off procededed to L and R doors in my cabin, stood facing the doors and started there nodding/prayer ritual with there hands near the handle area. Went on for about 5-10 minutes.
This obviously casued some nervousness amongst other PAX, cabin crew seemed not to care and carried on with the service.
Just wondering if it would be prudent to either.
1. Let other pax know by announcment this is what they are doing.
2. Make them do it in the toilet.
3. Dissalow them from doing it on flights.
Any one else seen this ?
This obviously casued some nervousness amongst other PAX, cabin crew seemed not to care and carried on with the service.
Just wondering if it would be prudent to either.
1. Let other pax know by announcment this is what they are doing.
2. Make them do it in the toilet.
3. Dissalow them from doing it on flights.
Any one else seen this ?
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Excuse my ignorance - didnt know Amish didnt fly. LOL..I assumed they were Amish by there dress but further research maybe they were Jews, hope i havent upset anyone and no not a Troll Ive better things to do...
Whatever they were they still made the passengers feel uncomfortable.
Whatever they were they still made the passengers feel uncomfortable.
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There are many cultures and religions that have ritual observances at particular times of the day. If these people are not proving to be a safety hazard or causing undue inconvenience what is your problem? If you are ignorant of these practices, you should learn.
No it would not be "prudent" to make an announcenment, nor would it be good manners. Make them do it in the toilet?
Disallow them from doing "it" on flights. Why, who are they harming?
Anyone else seen this? Probably most people with any worldly experience.
No it would not be "prudent" to make an announcenment, nor would it be good manners. Make them do it in the toilet?
Disallow them from doing "it" on flights. Why, who are they harming?
Anyone else seen this? Probably most people with any worldly experience.
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The Amish don't tend to fly, don't pray like that, and have never been known for their tenacity in terrorist actions by bringing down airliners.
Before we go any further, we can stop, as clearly you had no idea what it was that you were seeing.
Before we go any further, we can stop, as clearly you had no idea what it was that you were seeing.
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Originally Posted by Bealzebub
Disallow them from doing "it" on flights. Why, who are they harming?
Regular readers will know I have little time for public displays of mumbo-jumbo; there are many rules regarding air travel which would not be applied or acceptable anywhere else. Why should religion get a free pass ? Religion or something very like it is actually why we have to have all these security rules.
It's an airplane, not a church, synagogue, temple, whatever.
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harm
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to hurt someone or damage something
No it isn't a church or synagogue. Nevertheless they will provide meals that cater to peoples religeous requirements. If somebody wishes to stretch their limbs in an appropriate location, or cover their ears and bow a few times without interfering with anybody else, it is hardly unreasonable. Do you need "reasonable" defining as well?
verb
to hurt someone or damage something
No it isn't a church or synagogue. Nevertheless they will provide meals that cater to peoples religeous requirements. If somebody wishes to stretch their limbs in an appropriate location, or cover their ears and bow a few times without interfering with anybody else, it is hardly unreasonable. Do you need "reasonable" defining as well?
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Before we go any further, we can stop, as clearly you had no idea what it was that you were seeing.
So next time i see someone doing something a little "different" on an a/c other than sitting in there seats, going to bathroom or stretching there legs, shall I take it as being normal, not raise any questions, show concern or raise a brow ? I dont think so -Thats not how we do things in this day and age.
It's an airplane, not a church, synagogue, temple, whatever.
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Was gobsmacked at the galley full of Mecca facing muslims at morning prayer coming back DFW-LHW on an AAL B763 last month! Seemed a little odd considering the bloke next to me was happy to pray discreetly in his seat!
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There is a an opinion in Saudi Arabia which says that overt displays of religious activity in an environment which does not normally lend itself to such, is unnecessary and possibly "showing off".
Neither the Muslim or Jewish faiths require such actions, anymore than as a Catholic, I would be expected to fall on my knees in prayer before going to sleep on my (Immaculate) Virgin flat bed.
Neither the Muslim or Jewish faiths require such actions, anymore than as a Catholic, I would be expected to fall on my knees in prayer before going to sleep on my (Immaculate) Virgin flat bed.
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Gregg, if youo're going to communicate with the greater world, please learn the difference betwixt there and their, concentrate on grammar and spelling, and learn to differentiate your religions before complaining. The poor old Amish have copped your accusation- they were not on your aeroplane!
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Whoever they were, Amish, Hassidic Jews, Muslims, 7th Day Adventists, Church of God, C of E, Wee Frees, Canadians, they were unashamed of their religion and saying their prayers.
So what, forget the instant outrage at anyone doing something you deem out of the ordinary because, diddums, it makes you "uncomfortable".
Read a book, watch a film, do a crossword, in short get on with your life and let them get on with theirs.
So what, forget the instant outrage at anyone doing something you deem out of the ordinary because, diddums, it makes you "uncomfortable".
Read a book, watch a film, do a crossword, in short get on with your life and let them get on with theirs.
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I drink Guinness as part of my devotion to the great god himself, Flatulus.
I wonder if Gregg would feel so nervous if I started my "chants" whilst in the seat next to him?
I wonder if Gregg would feel so nervous if I started my "chants" whilst in the seat next to him?
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As if I would let that 
near me..........
Guess it'll have to be Gregg's head then. Then he won't moan about the "Amish that'll never get on a plane" praying beside the doors.....
near me..........Guess it'll have to be Gregg's head then. Then he won't moan about the "Amish that'll never get on a plane" praying beside the doors.....
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The passenger in question (the praying one) may have told the cabin crew what they were intending to do, and therefore the crew let him get on with it. I have this on board on a fairly regular basis, and I don't have a problem with it. If anyone started praying in such a fashion without "warning", I'd just keep an eye out without making it obvious.
I'm not a religious person myself, but I appreciate that others are. Some like to pray in their seats, some do it on the floor by the galley, some don't pray at all. We're all different.
I'm wondering if these passengers who were so worried, pointed the episode out to the crew? If I was on board as a passenger and something disturbed me (so to speak) about another passenger, whether it was praying, drinking, swearing or other behavours, I would talk to the crew - mainly for reassurance.
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I'm not a religious person myself, but I appreciate that others are. Some like to pray in their seats, some do it on the floor by the galley, some don't pray at all. We're all different.
I'm wondering if these passengers who were so worried, pointed the episode out to the crew? If I was on board as a passenger and something disturbed me (so to speak) about another passenger, whether it was praying, drinking, swearing or other behavours, I would talk to the crew - mainly for reassurance.
Gg