Could you land if pilot died ?
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haha. That was funny
And there was me thinking that certain Swedish statistics meant not many people had a sense of humour there.
Nicholas, I'm still waiting. Ran out of things to say?
I'll help you out. How about saying something funny like perhaps BSmuppet reckons he could have flown a Concorde and landed at City airport with runway to spare?
And there was me thinking that certain Swedish statistics meant not many people had a sense of humour there.
Nicholas, I'm still waiting. Ran out of things to say?
I'll help you out. How about saying something funny like perhaps BSmuppet reckons he could have flown a Concorde and landed at City airport with runway to spare?
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Bottom line is:
If i have 2 options:
1/ a A/C in this situation with no pax with no experience or "home simulator" experience.
2/ a A/C with a guy like muppet,,
In my humble opinion the only option is quite clear
If i have 2 options:
1/ a A/C in this situation with no pax with no experience or "home simulator" experience.
2/ a A/C with a guy like muppet,,
In my humble opinion the only option is quite clear
Dangle Charlton Heston from a S61 helicopter and let him climb in to the 747, whereupon he will land at the nearest available airport with Karen Black swooning.
This is a plausible as BSmuppet landing a real 747 in the real world.
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Completely Agree Final 3 Greens,
yet I do think your post had a facetious side.
Could you please copy and paste a sentence from one of my many posts which claims that I could land a 747.
Nicolas/eliptic where are you? Come on surely there must be more things you can say to take the mick out of me. I've already given you one tip.
yet I do think your post had a facetious side.
Could you please copy and paste a sentence from one of my many posts which claims that I could land a 747.
Nicolas/eliptic where are you? Come on surely there must be more things you can say to take the mick out of me. I've already given you one tip.
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Muppet,,
Hehe,, i have no experience to argue against what u say,,,im just amazed about the discussion,,,,,!!! i am neutral in this case,,just think 10000 hours in simulator is kind of loooooong time,,you never tought about take license and make money flying insted ????
Hehe,, i have no experience to argue against what u say,,,im just amazed about the discussion,,,,,!!! i am neutral in this case,,just think 10000 hours in simulator is kind of loooooong time,,you never tought about take license and make money flying insted ????
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Of course I thought of it!
But hey, the £70'000 in cash just lying around made such a nice cushion for sitting on when playing so I thought why should I give it all to M'OL and drink paid for lukewarm coffee.
10'000 hours is an arbitrary number to all those who thought I was sad enough to have a log book of my Flight sim times! Just know that Ive been playing it since Flight sim 95. And consider I 'work' 9 hour days with a 2 hour commute, a wife and kids, its pretty obvious that I'm not a hermit.
But hey, the £70'000 in cash just lying around made such a nice cushion for sitting on when playing so I thought why should I give it all to M'OL and drink paid for lukewarm coffee.
10'000 hours is an arbitrary number to all those who thought I was sad enough to have a log book of my Flight sim times! Just know that Ive been playing it since Flight sim 95. And consider I 'work' 9 hour days with a 2 hour commute, a wife and kids, its pretty obvious that I'm not a hermit.
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There was a piece in Pilot a while ago by someone from the Old Sarum Flying Club who after reading the article in a previous edition by the editor and Bob Grimstead about this very subject decided to have a go in a 727 sim at Bournemouth. I forget what degree of help he was allowed but he did manage to land OK.
I think the guy had about 300hrs, IMC and MEP.
I think the guy had about 300hrs, IMC and MEP.
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OK..anyway i know u have a better chance landing safe then me,,,so i slide the door at 1000ft and exit.......with my umbrella
Ps. "2 hour commute" did you not live in Midway island? Ds
OK..anyway i know u have a better chance landing safe then me,,,so i slide the door at 1000ft and exit.......with my umbrella
Ps. "2 hour commute" did you not live in Midway island? Ds
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No, because my comments were replying to another poster, as you will see if you read my post again.
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I did 15 hours in the old Trident sim, near Biggin.
With a highly effective TRE/IRE giving guidance, a PPL can pick up general handling on the sim in VMC fairly quickly, for after all an aeroplane is an aeroplane, even though the performance (speed and effects of inertioa, complex systems) are different.
Towards the end of the sessions, I felt quite comfortable taking off flying around and landing, even in strong crosswinds.
However, the experience did make me realise just how important multi crew coordination was, how much value the instructors experience added and how unlikely it would be that one could 'step up to the plate', solo, in the real world, in IMC etc....
I have said on other threads that if one pilot is incapacitated, a FA trained in company SOPs and checklists would be more useful to the other pilot than most PPLs.
Hell of an experience though and that's why I tend to smile when the flight sim brigade really think that they could fly a real airliner. I don't doubt that they have a good working knowledge of some of the systems and possibly a good instrument scan.
Could you please copy and paste a sentence from one of my many posts which claims that I could land a 747.
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I did 15 hours in the old Trident sim, near Biggin.
With a highly effective TRE/IRE giving guidance, a PPL can pick up general handling on the sim in VMC fairly quickly, for after all an aeroplane is an aeroplane, even though the performance (speed and effects of inertioa, complex systems) are different.
Towards the end of the sessions, I felt quite comfortable taking off flying around and landing, even in strong crosswinds.
However, the experience did make me realise just how important multi crew coordination was, how much value the instructors experience added and how unlikely it would be that one could 'step up to the plate', solo, in the real world, in IMC etc....
I have said on other threads that if one pilot is incapacitated, a FA trained in company SOPs and checklists would be more useful to the other pilot than most PPLs.
Hell of an experience though and that's why I tend to smile when the flight sim brigade really think that they could fly a real airliner. I don't doubt that they have a good working knowledge of some of the systems and possibly a good instrument scan.
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I had a go in a simulator when I was doing my PPL - someone had very kindly set it all up for me, configured and stabilised the beast, and given me CAVOK conditions and nil wind. I managed a couple of very nice landings and promptly concluded I could land an airliner if required.
Now that I actually fly an airliner (one without a magic autoland button by the way) I look back to my student pilot / flightsim days and realise I didn't know what I was talking about. Q400 pilots find the Q400 a bit of a handful to land - I'd love to see a PPL have a go.
Where's Rainboe when you need him?
Now that I actually fly an airliner (one without a magic autoland button by the way) I look back to my student pilot / flightsim days and realise I didn't know what I was talking about. Q400 pilots find the Q400 a bit of a handful to land - I'd love to see a PPL have a go.
Where's Rainboe when you need him?
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Sorry, someone called? Haven't been following this thread- just searched my moniker to see who's being rude now! Lest anybody think it's easy, after flying the VC10 for 6 years, I was given a 747 sim circuit ride late one night, totally untrained on it. The outcome was not 'pretty'. I found it very odd. Let's say not everyone would have survived!
If it was easy, anybody could do it. They can't.
If it was easy, anybody could do it. They can't.
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Originally Posted by eliptic
OK..anyway i know u have a better chance landing safe then me,,,so i slide the door at 1000ft and exit.......with my umbrella
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Something "dumber" than proudly announcing that you have "10,000 hours on FS" on a professional pilots' forum?
* A CPL
* A MEIR
* 200hr flight time on physical aeroplanes
* Thousands of MS sim hours on all kinds of medium and heavy aircraft (incl. B747)
No he didn't get hired, but he had his CV looked at all right
'hand flying' a jet or even a small plane by a punter
with an untutored hand and mind the average person:
will probably have less than three minutes before a spiral dive into the ground!!!!
however, if you've done some MSFS training then you may be lucky enough to go out in a spin
PA
will probably have less than three minutes before a spiral dive into the ground!!!!
however, if you've done some MSFS training then you may be lucky enough to go out in a spin
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Change my mind about the exit at 1000ft,,i learned today that if even a Rat can fly a plane
Brain cells in a dish fly fighter plane
http://engineering.curiouscatblog.ne...lying-a-plane/
Brain cells in a dish fly fighter plane
http://engineering.curiouscatblog.ne...lying-a-plane/
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Originally Posted by Rainboe
... I was given a 747 sim circuit ride late one night, totally untrained on it. The outcome was not 'pretty'.