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Ummm....fuel prices are a lot lower now than a little while ago.
I wonder when the airlines will stop using "very high fuel prices" as the reason for adding a large sum to each ticket price, refusing "discounts" etc etc, so as to increase revenue. Most of the "surcharge" is now just extra fare income, and goes straight through to the bottom line.
There was a time recently when the total fuel bill could very nearly have been paid from the absurdly high "fuel surcharges", especially on full long-haul flights with some well-known Legacy carriers. Those bonanza days are over, but the fuel surcharge is still a major rip-off.
I wonder when the airlines will stop using "very high fuel prices" as the reason for adding a large sum to each ticket price, refusing "discounts" etc etc, so as to increase revenue. Most of the "surcharge" is now just extra fare income, and goes straight through to the bottom line.
There was a time recently when the total fuel bill could very nearly have been paid from the absurdly high "fuel surcharges", especially on full long-haul flights with some well-known Legacy carriers. Those bonanza days are over, but the fuel surcharge is still a major rip-off.
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Ummm....fuel prices are a lot lower now than a little while ago.
I wonder when the airlines will stop using "very high fuel prices" as the reason for adding a large sum to each ticket price, refusing "discounts" etc etc, so as to increase revenue. Most of the "surcharge" is now just extra fare income, and goes straight through to the bottom line.
There was a time recently when the total fuel bill could very nearly have been paid from the absurdly high "fuel surcharges", especially on full long-haul flights with some well-known Legacy carriers. Those bonanza days are over, but the fuel surcharge is still a major rip-off.
I wonder when the airlines will stop using "very high fuel prices" as the reason for adding a large sum to each ticket price, refusing "discounts" etc etc, so as to increase revenue. Most of the "surcharge" is now just extra fare income, and goes straight through to the bottom line.
There was a time recently when the total fuel bill could very nearly have been paid from the absurdly high "fuel surcharges", especially on full long-haul flights with some well-known Legacy carriers. Those bonanza days are over, but the fuel surcharge is still a major rip-off.
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The "rip off" is not the fuel surcharge itself, which in a period of historically very high oil prices is quite understandable, but the fact that it is considered a surcharge rather than an integral part of the fare. It means that those businesses (including the one I work for) that have negotiated a discount on base fares are seeing that discount eroded by underhand means, and those of us who redeem frequent flyer miles for flights find that the "free" flight can now cost almost as much as one for which you pay the advertised fare.
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Yes, but at the end of the day they are a business just like your energy bills, the comany passes on price rises to the customer in order to survive. And NOT all airlines charge a fuel surcharge. What you are paying for is the ticket, not the extra charges. They are of course " extra". If airport taxes increase, they this is passed to the passenger as it is you who is using it!
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I'm sorry - I seem (moth/flame) to be drawn back to this thread against better judgement: I think it was the venom in some of the earlier posts that surprised and depressed me. I know this is subjective, but it feels like the industry can't do anything right for some - If any of us make a profit, we're just ripping off the customer: Make a loss, and we're still doing the same. The only decent thing that we can do for some customers is to actually cease trading, apparently.
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I simply don't understand how fuel surcharges are allowed to exist at all! The focus always seems to be on the likes of Ryanair charging for checked-in luggage, priority boarding, etc. but at the end of the day the customer still has a choice whether or not they wish to pay for these services (credit card fees being the only one that I can accept people critising to a certain extent).
However the customer has no choice whether or not they want to pay a fuel surcharge so it should just be included within the fare. Oil prices are higher now, that's the way it is. When landing charges, employee salaries, etc. go up they're absorbed as should the increasing price of fuel. At what level would oil prices have to fall before these surcharges be removed? Presumably a level we're not gonna be seeing anytime soon, if ever!
However the customer has no choice whether or not they want to pay a fuel surcharge so it should just be included within the fare. Oil prices are higher now, that's the way it is. When landing charges, employee salaries, etc. go up they're absorbed as should the increasing price of fuel. At what level would oil prices have to fall before these surcharges be removed? Presumably a level we're not gonna be seeing anytime soon, if ever!
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You have a good point; what I was being venomous about was the lie that a "fuel surcharge" is only to cover the additional cost of fuel.
I'm all for fares returning to proper levels. There has for a long time been too little income to run airlines properly. Ask why the person who signs off a B747 is paid about the same as a BMW mechanic, if he/she is very lucky.
All these additional charges, fuel, food, wheelchair, boarding, hold baggage, etc etc etc are simply attempts to restore revenue while pretending that fares are affordably low.
It's an insult to most peoples' intelligence; it's where the industry's newfound contempt for its customer starts. Almost everyone can work out that you have to add these together to see the cost of flying from A to B. It's just b****y irritating to have to do so.
If you divide Ryanair's turnover by the number of passengers it uplifts you get a remarkably high figure. Low fares? No, Sir.
It's true that it would be good for the industry to see the worst go to the wall. That might restore some commonsense among the survivors.
You have a good point; what I was being venomous about was the lie that a "fuel surcharge" is only to cover the additional cost of fuel.
I'm all for fares returning to proper levels. There has for a long time been too little income to run airlines properly. Ask why the person who signs off a B747 is paid about the same as a BMW mechanic, if he/she is very lucky.
All these additional charges, fuel, food, wheelchair, boarding, hold baggage, etc etc etc are simply attempts to restore revenue while pretending that fares are affordably low.
It's an insult to most peoples' intelligence; it's where the industry's newfound contempt for its customer starts. Almost everyone can work out that you have to add these together to see the cost of flying from A to B. It's just b****y irritating to have to do so.
If you divide Ryanair's turnover by the number of passengers it uplifts you get a remarkably high figure. Low fares? No, Sir.
It's true that it would be good for the industry to see the worst go to the wall. That might restore some commonsense among the survivors.
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From: UK
One potential benefit of calling it a fuel surcharge: On a non-refundable fare, the fuel surcharge may be refundable when you cancel even though you won't get the fare back. If the surcharge were included in the fare, then it would definitely be refundable. (I'm trying to find out from BA at the moment what the current position is with their fuel surcharges.)
The customers who are directly affected by calling it a fuel surcharge are those entitled to discounts off the base fare but not the surcharge. Most of these are corporate customers, who have clout and can complain and indeed depart for other shores if necessary. The airlines are fully aware of that possibility. Yet there is obviously no current need to depart from the practice of fuel surcharging.
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