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Just desserts.
Another drunken thug gets time for an air rage incident.
BBC NEWS | England | Merseyside | Man jailed for kicking cabin crew
Shame he won't be serving it in the Dominican Rebublic, suspect the jails there make ours look like a holiday camp.
BBC NEWS | England | Merseyside | Man jailed for kicking cabin crew
Shame he won't be serving it in the Dominican Rebublic, suspect the jails there make ours look like a holiday camp.
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how do they get onboard?
kind of like the lorry drivers who got an instant £2000 for every illegal immigrant on their lorry, could I suggest handling companies get an instant £5000 fine for every person who needs to be restrained that they've boarded. And the ground company pays the entire cost of any diversion.
Betcha they would start to refuse boarding a bit more than at now. I'm sure there's a mentality of get them on board, out my gate area and in 20 mins when doors are shut I'm heading for home and Eastenders omnibus..
G
Betcha they would start to refuse boarding a bit more than at now. I'm sure there's a mentality of get them on board, out my gate area and in 20 mins when doors are shut I'm heading for home and Eastenders omnibus..
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his jail sentence will be on his record for a long time, the ramifications--- he has not a clue-- dont worry this guy will be paying for the rest of his life-- job done. St Helens-numpties r us. Pity they weren't going to JFK cos then he would have been allowed to continue his holiday for free in Cuba, all paid for by Uncle Sam
groundbum, from the article:
Based on your logic, fine the CC and let the airline pay the return.......on another airline? 
Per
During the flight Rose became drunk and started to become aggressive towards the passenger sitting next to him.
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There's no need to fine anyone but the person who committed the act.
It's illegal to interfere with crewmembers in flight. It's illegal to allow someone passage who is obviously intoxicated. If the airline permitted him aboard knowing he was intoxicated, that's one thing, but the article doesn't provide that information or give that indication. The actor became intoxicated and violent during the flight, and committed an illegal act.
That the airline refused to fly him home is right and appropriate. I have refused to fly passengers who became belligerent or posed a safety of flight risk.
Intoxication is clearly no excuse. One who attacks another still attacks them...whether he is lucid or drunk at the time of the attack doesn't change the results to the victim. Certainly not to the airline or the pilot; the attacker still represents a safety of flight issue.
The actor is fortunate he wasn't on a domestic US flight, with the present mindset. Passengers who act irrationally in flight have been detained by other passengers on a number of occasions, and have been subdued by any means necessary. Had he been on a US flight, there's a good chance he'd have been beaten half to death by fellow passengers long before he started assaulting the flight attendant.
It's illegal to interfere with crewmembers in flight. It's illegal to allow someone passage who is obviously intoxicated. If the airline permitted him aboard knowing he was intoxicated, that's one thing, but the article doesn't provide that information or give that indication. The actor became intoxicated and violent during the flight, and committed an illegal act.
That the airline refused to fly him home is right and appropriate. I have refused to fly passengers who became belligerent or posed a safety of flight risk.
Intoxication is clearly no excuse. One who attacks another still attacks them...whether he is lucid or drunk at the time of the attack doesn't change the results to the victim. Certainly not to the airline or the pilot; the attacker still represents a safety of flight issue.
The actor is fortunate he wasn't on a domestic US flight, with the present mindset. Passengers who act irrationally in flight have been detained by other passengers on a number of occasions, and have been subdued by any means necessary. Had he been on a US flight, there's a good chance he'd have been beaten half to death by fellow passengers long before he started assaulting the flight attendant.
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you sad bunch
wonderful to see how mightier than thou the crew are, i refused a passenger because they were beligerant. Since when was that a crime?
They probably acted like that because you were acting like a yanker. Now remind me what airline do you fly, let me guess, ba. (bloody awful)
They probably acted like that because you were acting like a yanker. Now remind me what airline do you fly, let me guess, ba. (bloody awful)
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I don't act like anything. I behave in a neutral manner. When a passenger becomes unruly, however, and refuses to cooperate, interferes with flight crewmembers in their duty, and poses a threat to the safety of the flight, then they're off the airplane. Period.
The pilot in command is charged with the safe outcome of the flight. As a pilot, it is my only concern. I do my utmost to make sure everyone is comfortable in every means, but my overriding concern, and my chief duty, is safety of flight.
I'm not concerned about the passenger who brags, or who is cheating on his wife, or who wears inappropriate colors, or who hasn't bathed or has screaming children. A passenger who poses a safety of flight issue, as clearly this one did, is removed. It's not negotiable, it doesn't need an explanation. There's no room for debate. It's beyond contest or question. Behave, or leave. Period.
Once a passenger has struck a crewmember, there can be no question at all that is or her options have run out. In the US, it's a federal offense, and taken very, very seriously.
A passenger who fails to comply with safety instructions is in the same boat. He or she will be asked nicely. Then told. Then ordered. A passenger who fails to comply (they're not safety suggestions, by the way) is subject to handling as may be required...and certainly not as the passenger may wish.
If the airplane is pushing back and you refuse to sit down turn off your cell phone, you'll be asked nicely. If you still refuse ("you can't tell me what to do" is belligerant) you'll be told, and failing that, you'll be offered the chance to leave the airplane under your own power before you're arrested and forcibly removed...but you won't be continuing on that flight. That's a pilot's discretion as well as company policy.
If you think that's hard for the passenger, I once had a First Officer who acted beligerantly in the cockpit, refusing to do something...only on the basis of "I don't want to." I dealt with it in my own way and continued the flight. In discussing it with the chief pilot at a later date, the chief pilot's immediate response was "I would have turned the airplane back to the gate and put him off." That's right. He wouldn't put up with it from a passenger, nor from a crewmember...even a pilot. How much wiggle room do you think that leaves for you?
The pilot in command is charged with the safe outcome of the flight. As a pilot, it is my only concern. I do my utmost to make sure everyone is comfortable in every means, but my overriding concern, and my chief duty, is safety of flight.
I'm not concerned about the passenger who brags, or who is cheating on his wife, or who wears inappropriate colors, or who hasn't bathed or has screaming children. A passenger who poses a safety of flight issue, as clearly this one did, is removed. It's not negotiable, it doesn't need an explanation. There's no room for debate. It's beyond contest or question. Behave, or leave. Period.
Once a passenger has struck a crewmember, there can be no question at all that is or her options have run out. In the US, it's a federal offense, and taken very, very seriously.
A passenger who fails to comply with safety instructions is in the same boat. He or she will be asked nicely. Then told. Then ordered. A passenger who fails to comply (they're not safety suggestions, by the way) is subject to handling as may be required...and certainly not as the passenger may wish.
If the airplane is pushing back and you refuse to sit down turn off your cell phone, you'll be asked nicely. If you still refuse ("you can't tell me what to do" is belligerant) you'll be told, and failing that, you'll be offered the chance to leave the airplane under your own power before you're arrested and forcibly removed...but you won't be continuing on that flight. That's a pilot's discretion as well as company policy.
If you think that's hard for the passenger, I once had a First Officer who acted beligerantly in the cockpit, refusing to do something...only on the basis of "I don't want to." I dealt with it in my own way and continued the flight. In discussing it with the chief pilot at a later date, the chief pilot's immediate response was "I would have turned the airplane back to the gate and put him off." That's right. He wouldn't put up with it from a passenger, nor from a crewmember...even a pilot. How much wiggle room do you think that leaves for you?
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I cannot believe he was just released and left to go off on holiday upon touching down in the DR.
Good to hear the long arm caught up with the thug on his return...
Bet he thought he'd got away with it....
Good to hear the long arm caught up with the thug on his return...
Bet he thought he'd got away with it....
Everything is under control.
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Why do passengers continue to be allowed to drink to excess during flights? Why not have a no-alcohol policy?
Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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I always find it amazing that these wonderful examples of manhood actually succeed in finding women to go on holiday with them!!!!!. I shudder to think what THEY must be like!!!!
I cruise these days, usually on American ships, because I cannot usually stand Brits on holiday. Even then you find the occassional one who says that the best thing about it is the 24 hour bar!!! What a sad existence!!.
I cruise these days, usually on American ships, because I cannot usually stand Brits on holiday. Even then you find the occassional one who says that the best thing about it is the 24 hour bar!!! What a sad existence!!.
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Don't take the fun out of flying by taking away my vodka! Don't you DARE take away my tipple. :-)
Nothing's nicer than having a drink or two with your meal, just because a bunch of people don't know when to stop does not mean that EVERYONE has to suffer.
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Nothing's nicer than having a drink or two with your meal, just because a bunch of people don't know when to stop does not mean that EVERYONE has to suffer.
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Why do passengers continue to be allowed to drink to excess during flights? Why not have a no-alcohol policy?
Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
'nough said
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