First Choice - drunk punter tries to leg it at FL350
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First Choice - drunk punter tries to leg it at FL350
Passenger tries for exit - 35,000 ft in the air
An allegedly drunken passenger has attempted to open an exit door of a Boeing 767 while the plane was 35,000 feet in the air.
The man was abusive to passengers and staff on the First Choice flight from Gatwick to Cuba before lunging at the door in an attempt to lift the handle.
The pilot had to make an emergency diversion to Bermuda airport where police boarded the plane and led the passenger away.
Police in Bermuda said the man had not been charged but was "under security watch" at a hotel and could face charges in the UK.
Dominic Carmen, one of the 257 passengers on board said the man appeared to have been drinking before the flight took off and the pilot had told passengers who were drinking duty free they had brought with them to stop before the incident occurred.
A spokesman for First Choice said the incident was still being investigated.
An allegedly drunken passenger has attempted to open an exit door of a Boeing 767 while the plane was 35,000 feet in the air.
The man was abusive to passengers and staff on the First Choice flight from Gatwick to Cuba before lunging at the door in an attempt to lift the handle.
The pilot had to make an emergency diversion to Bermuda airport where police boarded the plane and led the passenger away.
Police in Bermuda said the man had not been charged but was "under security watch" at a hotel and could face charges in the UK.
Dominic Carmen, one of the 257 passengers on board said the man appeared to have been drinking before the flight took off and the pilot had told passengers who were drinking duty free they had brought with them to stop before the incident occurred.
A spokesman for First Choice said the incident was still being investigated.
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Drinking like this seems to be an epidemic now... either borderline or real alcoholics, or some quasi-mental condition IMHO.
Last night at the 02 Dome Leonard Cohen concert, we had trouble right next to us with a drunken Irishman being noisy and waving hands about... but more importantly, with 20,000 people in a tight seated concert-hall, why do they allow/envourage/serve alcohol and take-aways all through the concert - a constant and very annoying stream of twenty/thirty somethings push past and line the steep stairs the whole time... so many today either cannot hold their bladders or cannot sit for more than 25 minutes without yet another pint of Europiss lager or vodka paintstripper. Can't imagine what their waterworks will be like when they get to 50 or so.. but the 'wrinklies' as they're called, seem to enjoy a glass of wine or beer and sit through till the interval - maybe potty trained better?
Not a plane I know, but certainly Londoners seem to have completely lost it (and the Dome Management and Health & Safety Inspectors too, bowing to the take-aways and booze bars that litter the place).
Since now being termed a medical ailment, rather than an addiction, quasi-alcoholism seems to have become a badge to be proud of... displayed at every opportunity!
Last night at the 02 Dome Leonard Cohen concert, we had trouble right next to us with a drunken Irishman being noisy and waving hands about... but more importantly, with 20,000 people in a tight seated concert-hall, why do they allow/envourage/serve alcohol and take-aways all through the concert - a constant and very annoying stream of twenty/thirty somethings push past and line the steep stairs the whole time... so many today either cannot hold their bladders or cannot sit for more than 25 minutes without yet another pint of Europiss lager or vodka paintstripper. Can't imagine what their waterworks will be like when they get to 50 or so.. but the 'wrinklies' as they're called, seem to enjoy a glass of wine or beer and sit through till the interval - maybe potty trained better?
Not a plane I know, but certainly Londoners seem to have completely lost it (and the Dome Management and Health & Safety Inspectors too, bowing to the take-aways and booze bars that litter the place).
Since now being termed a medical ailment, rather than an addiction, quasi-alcoholism seems to have become a badge to be proud of... displayed at every opportunity!
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Rhodos, circa, 1998.
Four broads enter the cabin and sit themselves toward the rear.
Much consternation from CC follows as these broads appear to have had a few too many, and the Captain (yours truly) is asked to intervene.
I do so.
I tell 'em...'either you behave yourselves, or you will be arrested by the security at the door.'
They decline.
They may still be in the pokey, as they were dragged kicking and screaming down the boarding stairs.
This Commander will put up with none of this nonsense...and the company backs me up...every time.
No exceptions.
None, nada, zip.
Treat passengers with respect...however, it is definitely a two way street.
Pax misbehave...color 'em gone...prior to departure.
Otherwise, we have on board the appropriate security measures, and they just might not be pleasant.
Four broads enter the cabin and sit themselves toward the rear.
Much consternation from CC follows as these broads appear to have had a few too many, and the Captain (yours truly) is asked to intervene.
I do so.
I tell 'em...'either you behave yourselves, or you will be arrested by the security at the door.'
They decline.
They may still be in the pokey, as they were dragged kicking and screaming down the boarding stairs.
This Commander will put up with none of this nonsense...and the company backs me up...every time.
No exceptions.
None, nada, zip.
Treat passengers with respect...however, it is definitely a two way street.
Pax misbehave...color 'em gone...prior to departure.
Otherwise, we have on board the appropriate security measures, and they just might not be pleasant.
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Stupid Question
Flame me if you will, but I have a question!
Is it possible to open the door when the aircraft is pressurised and at such an altitude. We have all seen it in films but a CC friend of mine told me not the case.
Is it possible to open the door when the aircraft is pressurised and at such an altitude. We have all seen it in films but a CC friend of mine told me not the case.
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Depend on door design.
Very, very unlikely to open against press differential if it's an "internal" door being pushed against a'frame by cabin pressure. Unlike some large cargo doors.
Very, very unlikely to open against press differential if it's an "internal" door being pushed against a'frame by cabin pressure. Unlike some large cargo doors.
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Is it possible to open the door when the aircraft is pressurised and at such an altitude. We have all seen it in films but a CC friend of mine told me not the case.
The door is not locked or anything, however at FL350 typical pressure differential between outside and inside is about 7 PSI.
say the typical aircraft door is about 3 ft wide by 7 feet tall - thats 21 sq ft or 3000 odd square inches.
with 7 lbs or air pressure leaning on each one of those 3000 squares, there is the best part of 21000 lbs 'leaning' on that door - call it 10 metric tonnes.
Its a 'plug' door , so to open it you need to move it inward against that weight - Kinda difficult to pry that open in flight!
Yet another one.....
make sure you book a football (Soccer in the US) team on every flight....
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- An American Airlines flight from Boston to Los Angeles was diverted to Oklahoma City on Friday after a passenger stripped nude and later tried to open an emergency exit door before being subdued by members of a professional soccer team and others, the FBI said.
Members of the New England Revolution Major League Soccer team were among those who grabbed the passenger near an exit door, FBI spokesman Gary Johnson said. Tie wraps were placed on the man, whose name was not immediately released. He was taken into custody in Oklahoma City and placed under psychiatric evaluation, Johnson said.
American Flight 725, a Boeing 757, arrived in Oklahoma City at 1:35 p.m. CDT and was back in the air an hour later, said American Airlines spokesman Tim Smith. It landed without further incident at Los Angeles International Airport at 3:13 p.m. PDT.
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- An American Airlines flight from Boston to Los Angeles was diverted to Oklahoma City on Friday after a passenger stripped nude and later tried to open an emergency exit door before being subdued by members of a professional soccer team and others, the FBI said.
Members of the New England Revolution Major League Soccer team were among those who grabbed the passenger near an exit door, FBI spokesman Gary Johnson said. Tie wraps were placed on the man, whose name was not immediately released. He was taken into custody in Oklahoma City and placed under psychiatric evaluation, Johnson said.
American Flight 725, a Boeing 757, arrived in Oklahoma City at 1:35 p.m. CDT and was back in the air an hour later, said American Airlines spokesman Tim Smith. It landed without further incident at Los Angeles International Airport at 3:13 p.m. PDT.
What I don't understand in these cases is why people are not charged? Or at least arrested and confined to a police lock up or such pending investigation. If you are drunk, endangering the 'plane, passengers and crew, abusive, rude, aggressive, violent...what more do you need to do to get cuffed and put in a cell....?
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yes it would be better to charge them - and in many countries they would be, however Its probably punishment enought that this guy is racking up huge hotel bills in bermuda and will probably have to come home on a boat! - AFAIK only BA fly back from bermuda, and are not likely to take him after this
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If you are drunk blah blah blah
who sells them the alcohol in the first place? lets them on the plane, continues to sell them the alcohol, grow up accept some responsibility.
who sells them the alcohol in the first place? lets them on the plane, continues to sell them the alcohol, grow up accept some responsibility.
If you can't be responsible for your own actions you have two excuses - being a child or being mentally retarded. Stop blaming the availability of something for lack of personal responsibility.
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Maybe it's a matter of no harm, no foul. If someone just gets blitzed and makes a fool of him or herself, then the mere inconvenience and expense of being taken off the plane is enough. But if they injure someone, truly endanger the flight or cause other damage, then they get charged. Who knows?
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If you are drunk blah blah blah
who sells them the alcohol in the first place? lets them on the plane, continues to sell them the alcohol, grow up accept some responsibility.
who sells them the alcohol in the first place? lets them on the plane, continues to sell them the alcohol, grow up accept some responsibility.
If someone just gets blitzed and makes a fool of him or herself, then the mere inconvenience and expense of being taken off the plane is enough.
If you are drunk blah blah blah who sells them the alcohol in the first place?
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pattern, I think the thin air of cabins can make some people temporarily doolally. We had a lady in her 60s calmly go to the washroom of a 737, and walk out stark naked in a confused state. In some of these cases, if the situation is contained, I can't understand why there is a need to divert. The person could be wrapped, or told to go back and get dressed 'as it's a bit cold', and one of the crew could be assigned to attend closely to the person. Yet I have seen airrage incidents where the passenger is cuffed and contained, and a diversion still takes place. I don't see it justified.
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Aircraft doors are precisely engineered the way they are for this exact reason. If any of the mechanics should fail, the air pressure differential holds it together.
But I do know that a South African airline had one of its passengers open an emergency exit because 'he was hot'. Of course, the flight was cancelled and the passenger escorted away.
S.
But I do know that a South African airline had one of its passengers open an emergency exit because 'he was hot'. Of course, the flight was cancelled and the passenger escorted away.
S.
