Do the pilots have a say in this????
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And yet noise-cancelling phones not supposed to block speech!
When I went looking for noise suppressing headphones --- to use just purely for noise suppression, not to amplify any music or other audio source -- I found that all of them meant for aircraft use specify they allow the human voice range to be heard despite the noise suppression. Even the professional pilot units that I happened on, though I didn't look too long.
This is supposed to be a safety feature so you don't miss the peanut cart or evacuation announcement.
And I suppose it is.
I found the answer was to double up thick compressable foam earplugs and over those a big hefty set of shooter/construction noise blocking earmuffs.
Of course if they'd announced an evacuation I wouldn't have heard a word.
This is supposed to be a safety feature so you don't miss the peanut cart or evacuation announcement.
And I suppose it is.
I found the answer was to double up thick compressable foam earplugs and over those a big hefty set of shooter/construction noise blocking earmuffs.
Of course if they'd announced an evacuation I wouldn't have heard a word.
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I usually fly SQ and for years their IFE handset has had a built in phone. Swipe your CC and off you go.... natter, natter, natter.
To date never seen anyone use this feature - costs a fortune per min, so guess if the airlines price the mobile phone per minute rate similarly then, me thinks, you're not going to see many people use it.
Personally I'd say ban 'em as I usually need the rest.
Flynerd - As for the 737 and wifi/bluetooth. It first flew 04/09/67, so hope Mr Boeing have upgraded the wiring design since then
To date never seen anyone use this feature - costs a fortune per min, so guess if the airlines price the mobile phone per minute rate similarly then, me thinks, you're not going to see many people use it.
Personally I'd say ban 'em as I usually need the rest.
Flynerd - As for the 737 and wifi/bluetooth. It first flew 04/09/67, so hope Mr Boeing have upgraded the wiring design since then
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Well I'll just have to take my cell jammer with me when I fly.
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And what about phones with internal GPS systems that pax put against the window and watch the flight on their screen.
The Nokia N95 has an 'offline' setting in the profiles section which enables you to listen to the music player and use the GPS without using it as a phone.
The Nokia N95 has an 'offline' setting in the profiles section which enables you to listen to the music player and use the GPS without using it as a phone.
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Just charge £5/minute for using the on-board link. That'll discourage people, at least after they've done it once and get the bill. Then it'll only be the suits in business class who don't have to pay for it anyway, but at least cattle class at the back will be OK.
As for final approach, the solution is possibly not to turn off the pico cell but turn off the satellite link. That'll keep all the phones at minimum power and locked to the picocell instead of trying to contact something outside at full power. It'll also keep the interference to short bursts rather than a continuous signal.
As for final approach, the solution is possibly not to turn off the pico cell but turn off the satellite link. That'll keep all the phones at minimum power and locked to the picocell instead of trying to contact something outside at full power. It'll also keep the interference to short bursts rather than a continuous signal.
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If the person next to you starts jabbering on a phone, take out a notebook and start writing down his conversation should produce an interesting reaction. 
Personally I find people that can't live without jabbering on their mobiles all the time very very sad.
Personally I find people that can't live without jabbering on their mobiles all the time very very sad.
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The guidelines specify a minimium height at which phones will be allowed. I assume this it to prevent problems with the cell network on the ground not to stop use during take off and landing?
With security being so high these days slightly surprised there aren't jammers on planes to stop phones being used to trigger bombs.
With security being so high these days slightly surprised there aren't jammers on planes to stop phones being used to trigger bombs.
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Yes, the exact solution - Do not charge for the text/data/voice service, but start with a fee for even connecting to phone to the aircell.
"Ladies and gentlemen, in order to help you save cell battery energy for your busy schedule later today, this aeroplane have been fitted with an on-board mobile base station. The system is fully automatic, just turn your mobile phone the normal way you do in hospitals, churches and at funerals. To maintain fair price for customers not wishing to use such feature, the cost of this latest technology of convenience is offset by a small 10€ fee, charged for every single pairing between your device and the micro-cell"
As the aircraft doors are being closed, it is my pleasure to activate the system for you this very instant. Our expected arrival to destination is 15 minutes ahead of schedule, I am sure your most belowed will be happy to hear the good news. So why not call them? We're happy to help!"
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Unless I have missed one, is anyone here actually for the usage of mobile phones?
I think the "air rage" possibility is very real. Imagine you are next to "I know my rights" type of smartass.
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I think the "air rage" possibility is very real. Imagine you are next to "I know my rights" type of smartass.
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Not that I can remember seeing....
No doubt some planker will say there's a demand for the "service".... as long as said planker also realises there's a demand *NOT* to have the service as well. And judging by anything I've read the against lobby far outweighs the for lobby.
Doesn't common sense say it it's a bad idea?
Of course negative demand isn't a revenue stream - it all comes down to money and s0d the ordinary passenger-ooops customer-
The jammer would give a lovely sense of satisfaction but probably not good for the electronics. It's always the good things that are bad for me, like red wine & spicey food
No doubt some planker will say there's a demand for the "service".... as long as said planker also realises there's a demand *NOT* to have the service as well. And judging by anything I've read the against lobby far outweighs the for lobby.
Doesn't common sense say it it's a bad idea?
Of course negative demand isn't a revenue stream - it all comes down to money and s0d the ordinary passenger-ooops customer-
The jammer would give a lovely sense of satisfaction but probably not good for the electronics. It's always the good things that are bad for me, like red wine & spicey food
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“The guidelines specify a minimum height at which phones will be allowed. I assume this it to prevent problems with the cell network on the ground not to stop use during take off and landing?”
To be perfectly honest that will not do in most regions such us the Middle East. I was flying in to one of the middle eastern region on Al—Arabia airline, and just after TOD the plonkers started to dial their mobiles phones telling their relatives that we are going to be 5 minutes and so on, I was absolutely astonished at the Al-Arabia procedures, they couldn’t even control the children in the cabin let alone stopping the pax from dialling and making phone calls on their mobiles, I ended up raising an ASR on my return to Dubai. By the way this very common between DOH-AUH or any of the Gulf state sector.
Happy & Safe flying to all from Sybil, Polly and Manuel!
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“The guidelines specify a minimum height at which phones will be allowed. I assume this it to prevent problems with the cell network on the ground not to stop use during take off and landing?”
To be perfectly honest that will not do in most regions such us the Middle East. I was flying in to one of the middle eastern region on Al—Arabia airline, and just after TOD the plonkers started to dial their mobiles phones telling their relatives that we are going to be 5 minutes and so on, I was absolutely astonished at the Al-Arabia procedures, they couldn’t even control the children in the cabin let alone stopping the pax from dialling and making phone calls on their mobiles, I ended up raising an ASR on my return to Dubai. By the way this very common between DOH-AUH or any of the Gulf state sector.
Happy & Safe flying to all from Sybil, Polly and Manuel!
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I think investing in a cellphone blocker would be a wise move for any regular flyer. Does anyone know if this would affect any aircraft systems in an *apparently* similar way to mobile phones?
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Doesn't common sense say it it's a bad idea?
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and just after TOD the plonkers started to dial their mobiles phones telling their relatives that we are going to be 5 minutes and so on,
From a newspaper story I saw today, there is apparently a move in the US Congress to ban airborne cellphone use. The industry (ATA) opposes, as it might deprive them of a source of revenue.
Don't know if it will go anywhere, and I wonder about the differences in regulations...say I'm flying BA ORD-LHR return...would I need to worry about cellphone noise on the return leg but not the outbound? Or both? Or neither?
TWB
Don't know if it will go anywhere, and I wonder about the differences in regulations...say I'm flying BA ORD-LHR return...would I need to worry about cellphone noise on the return leg but not the outbound? Or both? Or neither?
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Mobile phones on planes has arrived.....
Well, mobile phone use onboard aircraft has now arrived.
I boarded AF2653 from Kyiv to Paris today and noticed an extra symbol next to the 'fasten seatbelts' and 'no smoking' signs, it's a picture of a mobile phone with a line through. As we rotate the CC announce that Air France are trialing mobile phone use on this aircraft and once the 'no mobile phone use' sign has been switched off by the Captain we are free to use our phones. A leaflet in the seat back explains the trial and goes on to say that "the rates charged are comparable with international roaming rates but we should contact our own providers for exact costs"
The provider that AF are using is called OnAir. According to the CC it's only fitted to one aircraft, an A318, and will run until June when AF will make a decision about future use.
Sadly, the guy behind me really did pick up his phone and say "I'm calling you from the plane !" Whoever he was speaking to clearly didn't believe him.
I used my phone to send a few texts and also used my Blackberry to send email and surf the net. The Blackberry didn't really work very well, I did surf the net a little but it was painfully slow and only worked about 20% of the time, the purser said to me that bandwidth was very limited, only enough for about ten users to make a call at the same time.
There was a very detailed questionnaire we were asked to fill out about our usage and whether we felt the service was intrusive. I have to say that if they were to improve the data service I would use it but I just do not like the idea of mobile phone use on an aircraft, it's too intrusive. That said, it has now arrived and I don't think it's going away.....
I boarded AF2653 from Kyiv to Paris today and noticed an extra symbol next to the 'fasten seatbelts' and 'no smoking' signs, it's a picture of a mobile phone with a line through. As we rotate the CC announce that Air France are trialing mobile phone use on this aircraft and once the 'no mobile phone use' sign has been switched off by the Captain we are free to use our phones. A leaflet in the seat back explains the trial and goes on to say that "the rates charged are comparable with international roaming rates but we should contact our own providers for exact costs"
The provider that AF are using is called OnAir. According to the CC it's only fitted to one aircraft, an A318, and will run until June when AF will make a decision about future use.
Sadly, the guy behind me really did pick up his phone and say "I'm calling you from the plane !" Whoever he was speaking to clearly didn't believe him.
I used my phone to send a few texts and also used my Blackberry to send email and surf the net. The Blackberry didn't really work very well, I did surf the net a little but it was painfully slow and only worked about 20% of the time, the purser said to me that bandwidth was very limited, only enough for about ten users to make a call at the same time.
There was a very detailed questionnaire we were asked to fill out about our usage and whether we felt the service was intrusive. I have to say that if they were to improve the data service I would use it but I just do not like the idea of mobile phone use on an aircraft, it's too intrusive. That said, it has now arrived and I don't think it's going away.....
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Do it yourself cellphone jammer
Step 1: Press the Flight Attendant Call Button
Step 2: When the F/A answers, ask for a glass of water
Step 3: When the F/A returns take the offending cell phone from the moron using it and drop it into the glass of water
Step 4: Hand the glass back to the F/A for disposal
It is essential that you smile pleasantly and do not raise your voice during this process otherwise you will be accused of air rage.
Job done.
Step 2: When the F/A answers, ask for a glass of water
Step 3: When the F/A returns take the offending cell phone from the moron using it and drop it into the glass of water
Step 4: Hand the glass back to the F/A for disposal
It is essential that you smile pleasantly and do not raise your voice during this process otherwise you will be accused of air rage.
Job done.
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Re your:
"I just do not like the idea of mobile phone use on an aircraft, it's too intrusive.
That said, it has now arrived and I don't think it's going away..."
Like smoking, you mean?
"I just do not like the idea of mobile phone use on an aircraft, it's too intrusive.
That said, it has now arrived and I don't think it's going away..."
Like smoking, you mean?
Last edited by Dysag; 18th Apr 2008 at 09:29.