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"the nice man said it could make 100 litres of potentially dangerous liquid!! Enough said. "
With the water that is already on the aircraft?? Similar to security confiscating a sachet of soup powder "because it could be made into a liquid"
With the water that is already on the aircraft?? Similar to security confiscating a sachet of soup powder "because it could be made into a liquid"
Well done to London's Metropolian Police Air Support Unit who yesterday afternoon (Saturday 15th March) found the time to dispatch one of their nice new EC145 Eurocopters to make a long slow aerial surveillance of London City Airport in case anyone with a rucksack was about to make a break for an aircraft on the runway (apparently the latest threat).
Unfortunately as they swept up and down at goodness-knows how much per hour they possibly noticed a bit of lack of aviation activity, London City always being closed from Saturday lunchtime to Sunday lunchtime. Oh well, we can always report to the tower that everything is fine. No, that's closed as well.
Unfortunately as they swept up and down at goodness-knows how much per hour they possibly noticed a bit of lack of aviation activity, London City always being closed from Saturday lunchtime to Sunday lunchtime. Oh well, we can always report to the tower that everything is fine. No, that's closed as well.
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We recently had a security audit on our ATC unit. They informed me I couldn't keep a folding knife with a 4cm blade in my office, (I used it for opening the mail), because I might go nuts and take over the tower.....
4 meters from my office is our staff lunchroom complete with cutlery and butcher knives, however it can stay as long as we agree the knives are "only to be used for food preparation".
I feel safer already........
4 meters from my office is our staff lunchroom complete with cutlery and butcher knives, however it can stay as long as we agree the knives are "only to be used for food preparation".
I feel safer already........
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A few years ago I travelled business clas DUB to FRA with LH.
Plastic cutlery behind the curtain.
Yes, we had stainless steel cutlery!!!!! No comment really.
Such utter stupid security policies in place then - it's obviously no better now judging by what 'Tower Controller' says.
Who are these people who make up the rules?
I mean, are they not ordinary people like most of the rest of us, who can see straight away the stupidity of some of the so called security rules they lay down.
Stainless Steel security in LH Business Class and Ditto in the Staff ATC Canteen in Canada but the folding knife for opening mail is confiscated!!!!
Is it any wonder that 99.9% of the travelling public and those who operate the system are fed up with the 'neddies' who introduce these stupid security rules.
Surely the average TSA/Security person must be fed up with the glaring inconsistencies they have to deal with every day? Or do they care?
Plastic cutlery behind the curtain.
Yes, we had stainless steel cutlery!!!!! No comment really.
Such utter stupid security policies in place then - it's obviously no better now judging by what 'Tower Controller' says.
Who are these people who make up the rules?
I mean, are they not ordinary people like most of the rest of us, who can see straight away the stupidity of some of the so called security rules they lay down.
Stainless Steel security in LH Business Class and Ditto in the Staff ATC Canteen in Canada but the folding knife for opening mail is confiscated!!!!
Is it any wonder that 99.9% of the travelling public and those who operate the system are fed up with the 'neddies' who introduce these stupid security rules.
Surely the average TSA/Security person must be fed up with the glaring inconsistencies they have to deal with every day? Or do they care?
^^^ What he said.
I am sure that all of us agree that 'security' is important and that getting blown up on a plane would be A Bad Thing, but what p!sses everyone off is the stupid inconsistent approach.
If you pitched up at an airport and *knew* you would have to strip naked to go through the security check, because that was the rule at all airports, regardless of size of airport, location, domestic or international, whatever criteria, then that would be fine. You just accept it, and get on with it. The thing is, one airport says belts OK, not shoes. Next time, both OK, another time something else. You cannot mentally prepare, or physically prepare until you are next in line and you have to start faffing around with various articles of clothing - at least if you know, you can take the bloody belt off while you are waiting.
Same with bottles - if all airports applied the same rules, great. Changi, for instance, can see through your carry on bag so no need to put your embarrassing toiletries (including those nasty, strange creams from the doctor) on display, but most airports don't / can't / won't and make you put them separately in their little plastic bag. Why?
Confiscating Marmite, sandwiches, etc., well that's just plain jobsworth from someone being an utter arse, enjoying his / her ego trip IMHO.
I've been on flights with plastic cutlery up the back and metal flatware at the front. So they think terrorists are on a f'g tight budget? Hello? Weren't the 11 Sep bunch in Business Class?
I'd better stop, I can feel my blood pressure rising, and I'll start ranting about Singapore taxis next, that's my usual natural progression...
I am sure that all of us agree that 'security' is important and that getting blown up on a plane would be A Bad Thing, but what p!sses everyone off is the stupid inconsistent approach.
If you pitched up at an airport and *knew* you would have to strip naked to go through the security check, because that was the rule at all airports, regardless of size of airport, location, domestic or international, whatever criteria, then that would be fine. You just accept it, and get on with it. The thing is, one airport says belts OK, not shoes. Next time, both OK, another time something else. You cannot mentally prepare, or physically prepare until you are next in line and you have to start faffing around with various articles of clothing - at least if you know, you can take the bloody belt off while you are waiting.
Same with bottles - if all airports applied the same rules, great. Changi, for instance, can see through your carry on bag so no need to put your embarrassing toiletries (including those nasty, strange creams from the doctor) on display, but most airports don't / can't / won't and make you put them separately in their little plastic bag. Why?
Confiscating Marmite, sandwiches, etc., well that's just plain jobsworth from someone being an utter arse, enjoying his / her ego trip IMHO.
I've been on flights with plastic cutlery up the back and metal flatware at the front. So they think terrorists are on a f'g tight budget? Hello? Weren't the 11 Sep bunch in Business Class?
I'd better stop, I can feel my blood pressure rising, and I'll start ranting about Singapore taxis next, that's my usual natural progression...
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I've been on flights with plastic cutlery up the back and metal flatware at the front. So they think terrorists are on a f'g tight budget?
IIRC that's always the way it's been - in this instance service differentiation is the driver, not security.
IIRC that's always the way it's been - in this instance service differentiation is the driver, not security.
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The inconsistancy is not necessarily between the back and the front, but the sheer stupidity of confiscating knives from passengers going through security and then handing them one once they get on the plane. "Would sir like a knife with a serrated edge or plain edge in order to hold the crew hostage and hijack the plane?"
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Hmmm, not sure about the £5 car parking fee as a deterrent, as mentioned. In the good olde days of the IRA they'd never have raised that sort of capital though old-fashioned pub collections. But now - why, these terrorist buggers are RICH - with money we've given them through buying oil off them or contracting them to build roads in the fight against Russian invaders.
My favourite game is to smuggle tubes of chain grease back from Germany. You can't get it readily in UK and it lasts longer on bike chains than the 3-in-1 stuff. I've never had it confiscated yet, though you have to separate it from more obvious "terrorist equipment" - like puncture repair glue, which has been confiscated. Or the plastic zip-ties, which, apparently, can be used to tie someones hands behind their backs ... as can luggage straps, or, if you're feeling particularly adventurous, frilly knickers ...
My favourite game is to smuggle tubes of chain grease back from Germany. You can't get it readily in UK and it lasts longer on bike chains than the 3-in-1 stuff. I've never had it confiscated yet, though you have to separate it from more obvious "terrorist equipment" - like puncture repair glue, which has been confiscated. Or the plastic zip-ties, which, apparently, can be used to tie someones hands behind their backs ... as can luggage straps, or, if you're feeling particularly adventurous, frilly knickers ...
I usually have a Mont Blanc ballpoint in my shirt pocket and it has a very pointy end which I am sure would do a lot more damage than a set of nail clippers. Never ever had anyone even look at it.
jimworcs - good point, the irony is lost on the jobsworths. How about all those glass wine bottles washing around the cabin, one of those would make a mess of someone's face, used strategically.
I had a flight a couple of years ago, on SQ somewhere in Europe, plastic on the way there and metal cutlery on the way back. Presumably terrorists dont get on planes in Europe. The CC said it was that country's regulation. Bizarre.
jimworcs - good point, the irony is lost on the jobsworths. How about all those glass wine bottles washing around the cabin, one of those would make a mess of someone's face, used strategically.
I had a flight a couple of years ago, on SQ somewhere in Europe, plastic on the way there and metal cutlery on the way back. Presumably terrorists dont get on planes in Europe. The CC said it was that country's regulation. Bizarre.
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The inconsistancy is not necessarily between the back and the front, but the sheer stupidity of confiscating knives from passengers going through security and then handing them one once they get on the plane. "Would sir like a knife with a serrated edge or plain edge in order to hold the crew hostage and hijack the plane?"
Bit of a difference in the damage that can be caused between a cutlery knife and a folding pocket knife, especially some of the Swiss knives that have edges optimised for gutting (I know, I have one.)
However, the point about glass bottles is perfectly made - a broken bottle makes a fearsome weapon.
Bit of a difference in the damage that can be caused between a cutlery knife and a folding pocket knife, especially some of the Swiss knives that have edges optimised for gutting (I know, I have one.)
However, the point about glass bottles is perfectly made - a broken bottle makes a fearsome weapon.
Did you ask them what if you go nuts and vector two aircraft in IMC towards each other ?
So if I have to remove my belt and then end up with my trousers on the floor , possibly exposing all, who is responsible?
Can I sue for humilation? (Probably in the US)
Can I sue for humilation? (Probably in the US)
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The earlier comment about sometimes having to remove belt or shoes, and next time the reverse happening. This was happening in adjacent queues at LGW My queue had to remove shoes but not belts, the next queue was the opposite. The item on TV where the boffin made a very good bang from two 100ml bottles of something was interesting.
I also likes the driver's comment that he could do a lot more damage with his A/C than with a table knife.
I also likes the driver's comment that he could do a lot more damage with his A/C than with a table knife.
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quote jetgirl
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I once saw the security at Luton force an armed policeman to put his gun through the x-ray - after all it could have contained more than 50ml of liquid..........................
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Much repeated urban myth, substitute airport of choice.
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I once saw the security at Luton force an armed policeman to put his gun through the x-ray - after all it could have contained more than 50ml of liquid..........................
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Much repeated urban myth, substitute airport of choice.
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Quite right. Police officers are one of the only groups of people who don't have to pass through security to access the airside areas. After all, what are security going to say ? "excuse me officer but you appear to carrying a heckler and koch MP5 sub-machine gun, a side arm, 5000 rounds of ammunition and german shepherd with sharp teeth"
Police officers are trusted individuals and as such we let them carry deadly weapons because, in the main, they enjoy our confidence to use them responsibly. Strangely, the flight deck crew, in possession of an aircraft filled with hundreds of tonnes of flammable material capable of killing thousands, a missile if you like, still routinely have parts of their lunch confiscated by security because if several parts of the said lunch were mixed together they could create some kind of bomb, other than the readily available flying missile there were piloting that day of course.
Police officers are trusted individuals and as such we let them carry deadly weapons because, in the main, they enjoy our confidence to use them responsibly. Strangely, the flight deck crew, in possession of an aircraft filled with hundreds of tonnes of flammable material capable of killing thousands, a missile if you like, still routinely have parts of their lunch confiscated by security because if several parts of the said lunch were mixed together they could create some kind of bomb, other than the readily available flying missile there were piloting that day of course.