Smoking flights
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You are entitled to do what you want with your body, as I am entitled to distance myself from you!
The reason I do not like smoking is simple. If I am in a smokey room it makes me physically ill (nausea). Unsurprisingly, I try to prevent that from happening. It may well be that there are some things I do/eat/drink that would disgust you and you are perfectly entitled to protect yourself against me. But I know smokers who did not like sitting in the smoking compartment of a train (when we had them) as it smelt so bad. But it was not sufficiently bad to break what is a very powerful addiction. Again, no criticism, you can be addicted to whatever you want and I can choose to keep out of your way.
Back on thread, I stated that airlines save money by standardising and that there is probably not enough money to be made from running a smoker's airline, or even one with a few a/c made over to this.
Amazing how the anti-smoking brigade jump on to a thread so they can express their disgust at us smokers.
The reason I do not like smoking is simple. If I am in a smokey room it makes me physically ill (nausea). Unsurprisingly, I try to prevent that from happening. It may well be that there are some things I do/eat/drink that would disgust you and you are perfectly entitled to protect yourself against me. But I know smokers who did not like sitting in the smoking compartment of a train (when we had them) as it smelt so bad. But it was not sufficiently bad to break what is a very powerful addiction. Again, no criticism, you can be addicted to whatever you want and I can choose to keep out of your way.
Back on thread, I stated that airlines save money by standardising and that there is probably not enough money to be made from running a smoker's airline, or even one with a few a/c made over to this.
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I know I'd not take a smoking flight, but I'm als not sure I'd want to be on a plane that has just taken a planeload of smokers somewhere.
As for the perfume over smoking, don't think pax don't notice. Just makes one smell like a perfumed Marlboro.
As for the perfume over smoking, don't think pax don't notice. Just makes one smell like a perfumed Marlboro.
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Love it when all the 'anti smoking' lobby come out without actually answering the question,
My last airline that I worked for flew into Afganistan, at the height of the troubles, to bring some British troops out, 3 rotations as I recall at approx 300 troops per time. The airline was non smoking but the senior hostie, who also happened to be the cabin services manager, had a word with the commanding officer and a 'free for all' ensued, 'smoke as much as you like boys', they'd been under such pressures for a number of months so why prolong their agony, ''if you want a fag then have it''
This business about causing damage to aircraft is nonsense, it's all about what is morally right, did aircraft crash for the 50 ish years that, and due to, smoking was allowed?
There can be exceptions to the rule if we, you, didn't live in such a black and white world.
My last airline that I worked for flew into Afganistan, at the height of the troubles, to bring some British troops out, 3 rotations as I recall at approx 300 troops per time. The airline was non smoking but the senior hostie, who also happened to be the cabin services manager, had a word with the commanding officer and a 'free for all' ensued, 'smoke as much as you like boys', they'd been under such pressures for a number of months so why prolong their agony, ''if you want a fag then have it''
This business about causing damage to aircraft is nonsense, it's all about what is morally right, did aircraft crash for the 50 ish years that, and due to, smoking was allowed?
There can be exceptions to the rule if we, you, didn't live in such a black and white world.
I don't see why the smoking pariahs can't have their own flights in principle but in practice with all the laws on smoking in the workplace / confined spaces etc etc I cannot see it happening.
Unless you had your own airline and only employed smoking crew, smoking cleaners, smoking maintenance crews - yes, I know they don't spark up when they are working but would non-smokers want to work in an aircraft where 300 pax had been chaining it? - it's never going to happen. Even with all this, how many routes could it sustain?
Unless you had your own airline and only employed smoking crew, smoking cleaners, smoking maintenance crews - yes, I know they don't spark up when they are working but would non-smokers want to work in an aircraft where 300 pax had been chaining it? - it's never going to happen. Even with all this, how many routes could it sustain?
For those who think there is a "gold mine" to be made with smoking flights, shortly after smoking was prohibited on US flights but before the FAA banned it legally (there was an interval between) a US entrepreneur, a smoker inevitably, started up an operation called, if I recall correctly, American Freedom Airlines, with flights out of Chicago MDW to Los Angeles and New York. The aircraft was chartered from and operated by American Trans Air.
Despite getting onto much of the media in the various cities loads were zilch, most of what pax there were seemed to be journalists sent to cover the operation. Of course, after a few money-pouring-out weeks it was given up.
And for those who think no airframe damage was done, you only have to speak to long-time engineers to find the opposite. Saw a recent account of a pressurisation failure which, when it was all torn apart afterwards, was found caused by a large plug of nicotine which had slowly built up and jammed an outflow valve. Such engineers will also tell you that nicotine staining was always a good witness guide to inexplicable pressurisation leaks.
Despite getting onto much of the media in the various cities loads were zilch, most of what pax there were seemed to be journalists sent to cover the operation. Of course, after a few money-pouring-out weeks it was given up.
And for those who think no airframe damage was done, you only have to speak to long-time engineers to find the opposite. Saw a recent account of a pressurisation failure which, when it was all torn apart afterwards, was found caused by a large plug of nicotine which had slowly built up and jammed an outflow valve. Such engineers will also tell you that nicotine staining was always a good witness guide to inexplicable pressurisation leaks.
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The restrictions on long haul smoking have been around for 15? 20? years.
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Smoking pilot opinion...
I fly for a South American airline...
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We are a "non-smoking airline" now, since a few years ago...
Yet, I would say, 75% of our pilots smoke... maybe more then 75%...
Our cabin staff does not smoke in the cabin, so, they come for a smoke in the flight deck.
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Let me voice our opinion...
I am from a "third world country", where a lot of people still smoke tobacco.
All our bars and restaurants are "smoking"...
Many of you in "first world nations" do not smoke tobacco...
Yet indulge in cannabis-marijuana, cocaine and heroin.
At least, tar and nicotine does not affect the brains.
Try it with me around... I will happily report you to police for arrest.
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When you, disgusting human beings users/traffickers of marijuana-cocaine-heroine, stop "doing it"...
I shall stop puffing my Marlboros too...
I am proud to say that I am a drug addict (like you) = caffeine, nicotine, wine/beer alcohols...
Wine drinking is recommended by my doctor (digestion), as well as beer to regain weight.
Occasionally on liquors (a few times a year, will enjoy a cognac or equivalent).
I never did all your "funny stuff" even "not inhaling" such as a famous US president...
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I gladly volunteer to fly a Y499 B-747 seating airplane with tobacco smokers.
Happy contrails, with dirty outflow valves (easy to clean).
xxx
We are a "non-smoking airline" now, since a few years ago...
Yet, I would say, 75% of our pilots smoke... maybe more then 75%...
Our cabin staff does not smoke in the cabin, so, they come for a smoke in the flight deck.
xxx
Let me voice our opinion...
I am from a "third world country", where a lot of people still smoke tobacco.
All our bars and restaurants are "smoking"...
Many of you in "first world nations" do not smoke tobacco...
Yet indulge in cannabis-marijuana, cocaine and heroin.
At least, tar and nicotine does not affect the brains.
Try it with me around... I will happily report you to police for arrest.
xxx
When you, disgusting human beings users/traffickers of marijuana-cocaine-heroine, stop "doing it"...
I shall stop puffing my Marlboros too...
I am proud to say that I am a drug addict (like you) = caffeine, nicotine, wine/beer alcohols...
Wine drinking is recommended by my doctor (digestion), as well as beer to regain weight.
Occasionally on liquors (a few times a year, will enjoy a cognac or equivalent).
I never did all your "funny stuff" even "not inhaling" such as a famous US president...
xxx
I gladly volunteer to fly a Y499 B-747 seating airplane with tobacco smokers.
Happy contrails, with dirty outflow valves (easy to clean).
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As I understand it, outflow valves, filters and other components are gummed up by 'tar' from the tobacco, not nicotine, which is a very small component of the weed but has an effect upon humans when it enters the blood stream.
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At least, tar and nicotine does not affect the brains
Why then do some smokers get so irritable when they can't get their nicotine fix?.
If smoking doesn't affect the brain, why is it addictive?
When you, disgusting human beings users/traffickers of marijuana-cocaine-heroine, stop "doing it"...
I shall stop puffing my Marlboros too
I shall stop puffing my Marlboros too
I fly for a South American airline...
