Ryanair - Mobile phones (MERGED)
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Some subway carriages here in Stockholm are, or will be, designated as mobile free zones due to plenty of complaints about having to listen to others conversations over the phone. Personally I find this ridiculous. Sure, I´d like to have a perfectly quiet ride on the bus, subway, airplane or whatever, but when I´m in a situation among other people I don´t go nuts if they talk to each other, if babies scream or couples discuss their dinner plans. Why does everbody get so pi$$ed about conversations that are taking place over a phone? Then at least you miss one half of the conversation. 
How often do those that are miffed about some teen/salesperson talking on the phone actually ask them to please talk a bit less loudly?
The one thing I personally have against use of mobiles on an aircraft is if the safety announcements are (more) ignored or disturbed due someone talking, on the phone or to a co-traveller, period.
Oh, I´m seeing some and more ANR hearing protection for travellers, so there are solutions for those that like to listen to nothing.
How often do those that are miffed about some teen/salesperson talking on the phone actually ask them to please talk a bit less loudly?
The one thing I personally have against use of mobiles on an aircraft is if the safety announcements are (more) ignored or disturbed due someone talking, on the phone or to a co-traveller, period.
Oh, I´m seeing some and more ANR hearing protection for travellers, so there are solutions for those that like to listen to nothing.
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I dont care what they do to keep flight costs down
and not charge me extra for fuel
they can put a slot in the lav and charge a pound
for using it as far as care
but when it comes down to it it was BA and other airlines
that took money from pax for extra fuel costs not RYR
what would you all have said if BA didnt charge for fuel
and ryanair had turned round an said we are going to
charge you on top of tax's and fee's for your fuel coz
its to much now
you would have had a field day
but guess what RYR did'nt did they
and are you telling me if RYR start making alot of money
from the mobile thing that other airlines wont look into it
lets see in a year or so who's right
and not charge me extra for fuel
they can put a slot in the lav and charge a pound
for using it as far as care
but when it comes down to it it was BA and other airlines
that took money from pax for extra fuel costs not RYR
what would you all have said if BA didnt charge for fuel
and ryanair had turned round an said we are going to
charge you on top of tax's and fee's for your fuel coz
its to much now
you would have had a field day
but guess what RYR did'nt did they
and are you telling me if RYR start making alot of money
from the mobile thing that other airlines wont look into it
lets see in a year or so who's right
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I just read this in the lunchtime paper myself, can't say I was overjoyed at the news.
I would hope that once this does find its way onto long haul, and make no mistake, it will find its way there pretty quickly, that some sort of restriction would be placed on the use of the service, I can just imagine how fun it would be trying to get some sleep down the back, at 2AM with some person on their phone all night and others ringing at close intervilles.
Well I guess it was only a matter of time, if not FR someone else was sure to do it sometime soon.
I would hope that once this does find its way onto long haul, and make no mistake, it will find its way there pretty quickly, that some sort of restriction would be placed on the use of the service, I can just imagine how fun it would be trying to get some sleep down the back, at 2AM with some person on their phone all night and others ringing at close intervilles.
Well I guess it was only a matter of time, if not FR someone else was sure to do it sometime soon.
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I wonder if this thread we be so negative if
it was British Airways that was doing this
but then again they will be soon jump on
the idea as soon as they see the money
rolling in
and a point to remember its a service you dont have to use it
they wont make you call someone
its just another way of keeping the cost of flights down
you know them flights that cost £20 with tax inc
it was British Airways that was doing this
but then again they will be soon jump on
the idea as soon as they see the money
rolling in
and a point to remember its a service you dont have to use it
they wont make you call someone
its just another way of keeping the cost of flights down
you know them flights that cost £20 with tax inc
I don't want to listen to someone elses conversation whilst I'm flying thanks - I have enough of that in every day life. Without doubt, this will lead to an increase in air rage incidents.
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{quote}“This is another revolutionary passenger service initiative from Ryanair. In addition to offering our customers the lowest air fares and youngest fleet of aircraft, Ryanair will soon enable passengers to use their mobile phones and electronic communications devices in the air, just as they do on the ground. That means they will be able to pass on the good news to workmates, friends and family that they are travelling on another on-time flight with Europe’s most punctual airline.quote}
Undercover agent reveals that certain mobile suppliers are to be offering them totally free of charge but limited use of one free call only. The phone comes with its own prayer mat with a little pocket to safely hold the phone until required for use. Phone and prayer mat then self destructs (oooops)
Undercover agent reveals that certain mobile suppliers are to be offering them totally free of charge but limited use of one free call only. The phone comes with its own prayer mat with a little pocket to safely hold the phone until required for use. Phone and prayer mat then self destructs (oooops)
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My colleague went to see O'Leary strut his stuff, and this is what he said...
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39282036,00.htm
"Ryanair plans to allow passengers mobile access to voice and text communications on all of its flights from the middle of 2007.
The budget airline announced on Wednesday that it will partner with OnAir, an Airbus and Sita joint in-flight communications venture, which plans to fit the entire Ryanair fleet with technology called Mobile OnAir. Initially fifty aircraft will be equipped by mid-2007, with further installations following.
"There's clearly a trial element, but we don't have any concerns that people won't use it," said Michael O'Leary, chief executive of Ryanair, at a press briefing in London. "If it doesn't work, clearly it'll come off the aircraft," O'Leary added.
Passengers will be charged to make and receive voice calls and SMS messages via satellite broadband links, and to use push email such as BlackBerry. The connection between the plane and ground is carried by satellite operator Inmarsat.
When asked about the cost of the service, Ryanair said that it would "mirror" international roaming charges, even on national flights. These roaming rates can vary wildly between operators and countries. Ryanair will charge operators a commission on call revenues..."
More on the site. Air France, BMI and TAP are also in the frame for trials next year.
R
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39282036,00.htm
"Ryanair plans to allow passengers mobile access to voice and text communications on all of its flights from the middle of 2007.
The budget airline announced on Wednesday that it will partner with OnAir, an Airbus and Sita joint in-flight communications venture, which plans to fit the entire Ryanair fleet with technology called Mobile OnAir. Initially fifty aircraft will be equipped by mid-2007, with further installations following.
"There's clearly a trial element, but we don't have any concerns that people won't use it," said Michael O'Leary, chief executive of Ryanair, at a press briefing in London. "If it doesn't work, clearly it'll come off the aircraft," O'Leary added.
Passengers will be charged to make and receive voice calls and SMS messages via satellite broadband links, and to use push email such as BlackBerry. The connection between the plane and ground is carried by satellite operator Inmarsat.
When asked about the cost of the service, Ryanair said that it would "mirror" international roaming charges, even on national flights. These roaming rates can vary wildly between operators and countries. Ryanair will charge operators a commission on call revenues..."
More on the site. Air France, BMI and TAP are also in the frame for trials next year.
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Not only that, I daresay we'll have poseur mobile phone users pacing up and down the aisles as they talk, staring blandly through anyone whose dignity it seems attractive to filch, in true alpha male style the same way they do on Waterloo Station concourse.
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AIR FRANCE, TAP, BMI !
10 second and the others quick open a thread and slag
off above airlines!
or you can just add then to you
" I WILL NEVER FLY THEM AGAIN" list
10 second and the others quick open a thread and slag
off above airlines!
or you can just add then to you
" I WILL NEVER FLY THEM AGAIN" list
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While I'm far from delighted to hear this news, I must say that I find it rather strange to repeatedly hear cries of 'I don't want to listen to other people's conversations!!!' - does this mean that on every flight taken, everyone's been perfectly quiet ... and know conversations have taken place among fellow passengers? Come on, ambient noise level is quite high in the metal tube already, but it's not just from the engines or the air-recycling!
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So, what happens when the pico cell goes tech and all the phones on the aircraft suddenly switch to max power trying to contact the cells on the ground?
I've seen this asked on other threads but I've not seen it answered.
Cheers,
Rich.
P.S. To those asking, I believe some research was done into why people found mobile phone conversations so particularly annoying and the answer was that it was precisely because only one end of the conversation could be heard.
I've seen this asked on other threads but I've not seen it answered.
Cheers,
Rich.
P.S. To those asking, I believe some research was done into why people found mobile phone conversations so particularly annoying and the answer was that it was precisely because only one end of the conversation could be heard.
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Daz,
This would put me off any airline. I fly a great deal on business, and the only respite I ever get, is when I'm on the plane. This is also true of E-mails. I know many travellers like myself, who find the one good chance they can get to clear their E-mail inbox is a long flight.
The idea of being in a plane surrounded by morons yelling on their mobile "I'm on the plane", would put me off flying with any airline.
So, get off your high horse about Ryanair, Daz, I would avoid any airline which offered this service, whether it be BA, Virgin or BMI.
But let us think about this carefully. The likes of BA, i have no doubt have already explored this, and are aware of the problems that could ensue on board, and realise it is not a good idea. Recently BA cancelled installation of the Boeing Connexion system for in-air internet access. I have no doubt this was based on customer feedback.
MOL is introducing this purely as a profit centre, not as a 'service'. I very much doubt we will see major airlines taking it on.
On a final point, I've seen you state many times that phone call revenue will produce cheaper fares. No it won't. It will keep MOL's pockets full. The same would also be true of your idea for coin slot lav's, just more profit for Ryanair. No passenger benefit whatsoever, despite what the Ryanair spin machine may be saying. Haven't you seen through the Ryanair spin yet?
This would put me off any airline. I fly a great deal on business, and the only respite I ever get, is when I'm on the plane. This is also true of E-mails. I know many travellers like myself, who find the one good chance they can get to clear their E-mail inbox is a long flight.
The idea of being in a plane surrounded by morons yelling on their mobile "I'm on the plane", would put me off flying with any airline.
So, get off your high horse about Ryanair, Daz, I would avoid any airline which offered this service, whether it be BA, Virgin or BMI.
But let us think about this carefully. The likes of BA, i have no doubt have already explored this, and are aware of the problems that could ensue on board, and realise it is not a good idea. Recently BA cancelled installation of the Boeing Connexion system for in-air internet access. I have no doubt this was based on customer feedback.
MOL is introducing this purely as a profit centre, not as a 'service'. I very much doubt we will see major airlines taking it on.
On a final point, I've seen you state many times that phone call revenue will produce cheaper fares. No it won't. It will keep MOL's pockets full. The same would also be true of your idea for coin slot lav's, just more profit for Ryanair. No passenger benefit whatsoever, despite what the Ryanair spin machine may be saying. Haven't you seen through the Ryanair spin yet?
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I speak from experience in the TGV (high speed train).
Conversations between passengers are normally between people sitting next to each other. Barely intelligible in the next row, and beyond that they blend into the ambient noise level, as on aircraft (note I said conversations, not a screaming baby).
Bleating cell phones (with them funky ring tones) pierce right through the ambient noise and can be heard through most of the carriage / cabin. And I don't need to describe the habit of carrying on LOUD conversations on cellphones, even you must have experienced those. Again they tend to pierce right through the ambient noise for at least several rows.
I hope security will still allow me to take a box of those old-fashioned waxed earplugs on board. But maybe they look too much like small sticks of dynamite?
Conversations between passengers are normally between people sitting next to each other. Barely intelligible in the next row, and beyond that they blend into the ambient noise level, as on aircraft (note I said conversations, not a screaming baby).
Bleating cell phones (with them funky ring tones) pierce right through the ambient noise and can be heard through most of the carriage / cabin. And I don't need to describe the habit of carrying on LOUD conversations on cellphones, even you must have experienced those. Again they tend to pierce right through the ambient noise for at least several rows.
I hope security will still allow me to take a box of those old-fashioned waxed earplugs on board. But maybe they look too much like small sticks of dynamite?
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I can think of several reasons why normally it would be a non-event. Until there is a dud one among the lot that starts spitting broadband noise and harmonics all over the place.
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What crazy hypocrisy!
The Ryanair staff are particularly stringent on the use of mobile phones. I was once asked to turn mine off as I was sending a text whilst waiting on the aircraft steps at PSA. The hosty pointed out to me that "it may interfere with aircraft systems". Likewise on finals to Stansted last year a guy in the seat in front of me got a royal rocketing from the hosty for typing a text, again the same line was quoted: "it may interfere with aircraft systems". And they’re right, it may do just that.
But from 2007 it doesn't matter if it interferes with aircraft systems, because it will be a profitable interference.
At the very least GSM signals DO produce an awful sound in the crews headsets if transmitting on high power close to the flight deck, this could result in a missed, or worse still a misunderstood ATC transmission and for this reason alone mobile phones should not be used on board.
The Ryanair staff are particularly stringent on the use of mobile phones. I was once asked to turn mine off as I was sending a text whilst waiting on the aircraft steps at PSA. The hosty pointed out to me that "it may interfere with aircraft systems". Likewise on finals to Stansted last year a guy in the seat in front of me got a royal rocketing from the hosty for typing a text, again the same line was quoted: "it may interfere with aircraft systems". And they’re right, it may do just that.
But from 2007 it doesn't matter if it interferes with aircraft systems, because it will be a profitable interference.
At the very least GSM signals DO produce an awful sound in the crews headsets if transmitting on high power close to the flight deck, this could result in a missed, or worse still a misunderstood ATC transmission and for this reason alone mobile phones should not be used on board.
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Of course Ryanair will not use these systems if they interfere with security.
The system will have future capability to transmit acars data over GSM/GPRS links. Also SMS data systems are being adapted to carry ACARS data.
The system will have future capability to transmit acars data over GSM/GPRS links. Also SMS data systems are being adapted to carry ACARS data.
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Help me to understand pls.
Simple questions for a newbie.
Why are mobile phones banned from being on in aircraft ?
Does "flightsafe" mode mean nothing (why call it "safe")
Does the Capt and FO know if a phone is on on theirr aircraft (I accidentally left mine on in the flight bag the other week)
How can the aircraft use "mobile phone" connections and not interfere with the a/c ?
(barbed question) why can CC used THEIR phones as we are about to land ? - witnessed twice on a FlyBe and BMI Baby flight to ALC from BHX
Why are mobile phones banned from being on in aircraft ?
Does "flightsafe" mode mean nothing (why call it "safe")
Does the Capt and FO know if a phone is on on theirr aircraft (I accidentally left mine on in the flight bag the other week)
How can the aircraft use "mobile phone" connections and not interfere with the a/c ?
(barbed question) why can CC used THEIR phones as we are about to land ? - witnessed twice on a FlyBe and BMI Baby flight to ALC from BHX
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CVTDog,
I had experience last year flying with Iberia from Barcelona, and just after take off, the CC announced that they believed someone had left their mobile phone switched on, as it was interfering with cockpit instruments. They actually got everyone to check their phones were switched off, and said they may need to return to the airport if the problem was not rectified.
I'm no technical expert, but I guess they wouldn't have done that for no good reason.
I guess the OnAir system gets around that by virtue of the way it works (maybe?)
I've a feeling if you search pprune, you will probably find a technical discussion of this has probably been done to death many times.
Here is one such previous thread;
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...e+interference
I had experience last year flying with Iberia from Barcelona, and just after take off, the CC announced that they believed someone had left their mobile phone switched on, as it was interfering with cockpit instruments. They actually got everyone to check their phones were switched off, and said they may need to return to the airport if the problem was not rectified.
I'm no technical expert, but I guess they wouldn't have done that for no good reason.
I guess the OnAir system gets around that by virtue of the way it works (maybe?)
I've a feeling if you search pprune, you will probably find a technical discussion of this has probably been done to death many times.
Here is one such previous thread;
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...e+interference
Aisle seat, please.
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AIR FRANCE, TAP, BMI !
10 second and the others quick open a thread and slag
off above airlines!
10 second and the others quick open a thread and slag
off above airlines!
I've flown with Ryan Air a number of times and if they were the cheapest option to get somewhere I had to go, then I would probably still use them. However, if I had the choice of Ryan Air allowing infllight telephony and any other airline - I would choose the other, even if I had to pay a little more.
Most of my flying is with AF and I will be very disappointed if they start to allow the use of mobiles during flight. For the most part, I fly to places where there isn't much choice of airline, so I guess I'll be stuck with it. I can't say that I look forward to the idea of an eight hour flight down to Kinshasa with everyone yacking into their phones. Humph!
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Just a thought. A number of people have been fined/jailed for using mobiles on a plane on the grounds it was dangerous. This suggests it is not. Expect their convictions to be appealed rather soon. And on any aircraft going forward, if its safe on Ryanair, the argument must be its safe on any other plane?.