Monarch Boots off 2 Arab/Asian men AGP - MAN due pax complaints
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"It was then, he said, that his wife Susanne began talking to another passenger who said she had sat next to the two men.
"She said she had heard them saying it was the last 30 minutes of their lives," said Mr Wearden. " - BBC
Hilarious! Pity the pax had no sense of humour!
"She said she had heard them saying it was the last 30 minutes of their lives," said Mr Wearden. " - BBC
Hilarious! Pity the pax had no sense of humour!
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I suppose it all comes down to perception and mindset. If you already have it in your head, that people of a certain look possibly are terrorists, then any behaviour can look suspicious. Even perfectly normal behaviour.
I would even suggest that those people, who demanded the two men leave the aircraft, are emotionally unstable, and, in the interest of safety, should not be flying anywhere.
I would even suggest that those people, who demanded the two men leave the aircraft, are emotionally unstable, and, in the interest of safety, should not be flying anywhere.
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The pair were interviewed, albeit briefly by the BBC on the lunchtime Look Northwest programme. They declined to make any comment as such. However, the item also included a shot of the Daily Mail's --ahem --"definitive"
headline which also appeared to contain a shot of one of the couple's who appeared on TV when the story broke.
The headline ? "We all agreed they looked dodgy" -----so that would be a show of hands, a voting slip or just plain good old fashioned bigoted verbal assessment and summary would it ? ----just to ascertain how the concensus was obtained you understand
headline which also appeared to contain a shot of one of the couple's who appeared on TV when the story broke. The headline ? "We all agreed they looked dodgy" -----so that would be a show of hands, a voting slip or just plain good old fashioned bigoted verbal assessment and summary would it ? ----just to ascertain how the concensus was obtained you understand
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"They declined to make any comment as such."
Perhaps because they had already sold their exclusive story to the Daily
Mirror?
They said: "We might be Asian but we're just two ordinary lads who wanted a bit of fun."
"As Muslims we are not supposed to drink alcohol, but we did have a few."
Sound familiar????
Agree Clarence, pity everyone isn't as brave as you, and has your searching perception and mindset.
Actually apart from being emotionally unstable it wouldn't bother me if I never got on a plane again. Sadly having other commitments I have to suffer it. I certainly would never fly from choice.
Perhaps because they had already sold their exclusive story to the Daily
Mirror?
They said: "We might be Asian but we're just two ordinary lads who wanted a bit of fun."
"As Muslims we are not supposed to drink alcohol, but we did have a few."
Sound familiar????
Agree Clarence, pity everyone isn't as brave as you, and has your searching perception and mindset.
Actually apart from being emotionally unstable it wouldn't bother me if I never got on a plane again. Sadly having other commitments I have to suffer it. I certainly would never fly from choice.
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FFFlyer,
There is no need to be sarcastic. If people can work themselves into such a frenzy that they start crying and demand other people leave a flight, then they can hardly be described as emotionally stable.
Having had a look at your posting history, I see why you are defending the behaviour of those people. May I say that not having you on an aircraft anytime soon, might not be such a loss.
One less ignitor of paranoia, perhaps?
There is no need to be sarcastic. If people can work themselves into such a frenzy that they start crying and demand other people leave a flight, then they can hardly be described as emotionally stable.
Having had a look at your posting history, I see why you are defending the behaviour of those people. May I say that not having you on an aircraft anytime soon, might not be such a loss.
One less ignitor of paranoia, perhaps?
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Have just seen the two pax interviewed by "The Wonderful Emily" on News Night. She failed to ask why they had just been on a day trip. It is this fact that seems to have bothered the crew more than any thing else.
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How did the other pax know the 2 men of Asian appearance were Muslims? Were they wearing skull caps with their suits? Many UK Asians aren't Muslim at all. If their families originated from India, chances are they are Hindus or Sikhs. If the family is from Goa or south India there's a chance they're Christian. Don't forget that India has suffered badly from Islamic terrorism for the past 20 years or so. Remember the terrible bombing of Bombay commuter trains a few months ago. Assuming all "Asians" are potential terrorists is a grave injustice, for many reasons already commented on in this thread, as well as this one.
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Well, shame on the captain. Use your head next time. Take the names of the ones who had a complaint to make. Then get them escorted of the flight. Its simple. If anyone knows this particular captain tell him from me that he’s is a knob.
This has given me a good idea for a sketch; picture the scene of a group of fifty persons waiting in the departure for their holiday flight. The departure lounge and aircraft cabin is hidden with cameras and microphones. Some people are surprised that there are not many people going on the flight. They are all called to board. As the last persons settle into their seats, about 170 Asians join them on the flight speaking in different languages. Now the question is how many of the fifty would complain whisper or leave the flight. The surprise on the faces would be priceless.
This has given me a good idea for a sketch; picture the scene of a group of fifty persons waiting in the departure for their holiday flight. The departure lounge and aircraft cabin is hidden with cameras and microphones. Some people are surprised that there are not many people going on the flight. They are all called to board. As the last persons settle into their seats, about 170 Asians join them on the flight speaking in different languages. Now the question is how many of the fifty would complain whisper or leave the flight. The surprise on the faces would be priceless.
I cannot believe how many people on this thread are unable or unwilling to accept reality. There is a war of cultures taking place on the planet right now and a big push is underway.
Innocent people are being sacrificed all over the world by higher powers, both organised governments and islamic militants, in dubious wars and unspeakable terrorist atrocities.
Ordinary Joe public is ****ting himself. He has seen footage of Atocha and has smelt the burning of the London bombs. The news footage of Baghdad and Lebanon seem a world away, but European City Centers do not.
Base instincts are at work. Dark skinned "foreign" looking people, appear to be almost 100% responsible for planting the bombs and people are aware of that.
I have seen people moving seats on the tube, I have seen people moving seats on buses and I have seen people getting off early from both of the same. Fear is gripping society.
On an aircraft it is different. Once you strap in, you are at the mercy of circumstance until you arrive at your destination.
Mistrust is stalking the land with enormous strides. There are bound to be victims.
Better safe than sorry.
Some serious re-adjustment of values is required before the situation will get any better.
However, I fear it will only get worse
Innocent people are being sacrificed all over the world by higher powers, both organised governments and islamic militants, in dubious wars and unspeakable terrorist atrocities.
Ordinary Joe public is ****ting himself. He has seen footage of Atocha and has smelt the burning of the London bombs. The news footage of Baghdad and Lebanon seem a world away, but European City Centers do not.
Base instincts are at work. Dark skinned "foreign" looking people, appear to be almost 100% responsible for planting the bombs and people are aware of that.
I have seen people moving seats on the tube, I have seen people moving seats on buses and I have seen people getting off early from both of the same. Fear is gripping society.
On an aircraft it is different. Once you strap in, you are at the mercy of circumstance until you arrive at your destination.
Mistrust is stalking the land with enormous strides. There are bound to be victims.
Better safe than sorry.
Some serious re-adjustment of values is required before the situation will get any better.
However, I fear it will only get worse
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How about the following scenario?
Let's suppose that, instead of being arrested, the liquid bomber terrorist suspects had made it on to their target airliners. The same thing happens as on the Monarch flight - some passengers become concerned at their appearance and behaviour and decide to leave the aircraft. The Captain is alerted and decides to investigate . . . Reviewing ALL the circumstances he considers the wrath of the politically correct establishment. As the dodgy looking passengers have 'passed' security he can see no objective reason for their removal. He dares not make a subjective decision for fear of being prosecuted for racism and being chucked out the industry and losing his home because he cannot afford the mortgage.
So, the aircraft takes off. In flight the terrorists successfully launch their deadly attack.
As I recall, Richard Reid was treated with suspicion but allowed to fly based on objective evidence.
I saw the two young men interviewed last night. They seemed to understand the unforunate nature of the situation and bore no grudge.
My point is this. We must not introduce new protocols and strictures to ensure politically corrrect outcomes in all situations. We pay the Captain to make subjective judgements in the interests of safety. When there is insuffcient information we must respect a decision that errs on the safe side.
Let's suppose that, instead of being arrested, the liquid bomber terrorist suspects had made it on to their target airliners. The same thing happens as on the Monarch flight - some passengers become concerned at their appearance and behaviour and decide to leave the aircraft. The Captain is alerted and decides to investigate . . . Reviewing ALL the circumstances he considers the wrath of the politically correct establishment. As the dodgy looking passengers have 'passed' security he can see no objective reason for their removal. He dares not make a subjective decision for fear of being prosecuted for racism and being chucked out the industry and losing his home because he cannot afford the mortgage.
So, the aircraft takes off. In flight the terrorists successfully launch their deadly attack.
As I recall, Richard Reid was treated with suspicion but allowed to fly based on objective evidence.
I saw the two young men interviewed last night. They seemed to understand the unforunate nature of the situation and bore no grudge.
My point is this. We must not introduce new protocols and strictures to ensure politically corrrect outcomes in all situations. We pay the Captain to make subjective judgements in the interests of safety. When there is insuffcient information we must respect a decision that errs on the safe side.
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Wasn't the Monarch flight one of their scheduled flights anyway? (usually ZB stands for scheduled and MON for charter). If my supposition is true then I have even more reasons not to see anything weird at all in taking a day trip.
Gosh if I or any of my skippers had to chuck out of the plane all the people who are on daily trips BA wouldn't have any more customers!!
Jeeeeezzzz......
Gosh if I or any of my skippers had to chuck out of the plane all the people who are on daily trips BA wouldn't have any more customers!!
Jeeeeezzzz......
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Originally Posted by Yarpy
We pay the Captain to make subjective judgements in the interests of safety. When there is insuffcient information we must respect a decision that errs on the safe side.
But I am sure he won't.
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Joolsgene how can you call someone you don't know such names? Were you there? Did you see the whole thing unfold?
The captain is in charge of the aircraft and he has the safety of his crew and passengers to think of. If he chose to put these two off then there must have been good reason to do so. Pax are not removed on a whim. I think you should remove your post as it is offensive and a personal attack.
The captain is in charge of the aircraft and he has the safety of his crew and passengers to think of. If he chose to put these two off then there must have been good reason to do so. Pax are not removed on a whim. I think you should remove your post as it is offensive and a personal attack.
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I wish the captain spoke and told all of us the reasons why he did it
Furthermore . . . If they Captain publicly outlines what is deemed suspicious behaviour then that could benefit genuine terrorists. I.e. they will know which behaviours not to exhibit in order to avoid detection!
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Clarence, glad you found something useful to do, like look up posting history. I think it was a 12 year old girl who was emotionally unstable and unreasonably started crying. As to the rest, you evidently know best about everything.
Now let me get this right, two passengers under the influence of alcohol act strangely (by ther own admission), deliberately intimidate some of the passengers, start looking under seats when they get on the plane. The passengers are wrong to be concerned because they are Asian, and mustn't complain. I'll remember that next time I fly.
Would we be having this debate if they had been of caucasian appearance or if the last round of bombers had suceeded in blowing up a couple of planes? I think not.
Now let me get this right, two passengers under the influence of alcohol act strangely (by ther own admission), deliberately intimidate some of the passengers, start looking under seats when they get on the plane. The passengers are wrong to be concerned because they are Asian, and mustn't complain. I'll remember that next time I fly.
Would we be having this debate if they had been of caucasian appearance or if the last round of bombers had suceeded in blowing up a couple of planes? I think not.
Originally Posted by FFFlyer
Would we be having this debate if they had been of caucasian appearance(?)
Originally Posted by El Grifo
I cannot believe how many people on this thread are unable or unwilling to accept reality. There is a war of cultures taking place on the planet right now and a big push is underway.
Innocent people are being sacrificed all over the world by higher powers, both organised governments and islamic militants, in dubious wars and unspeakable terrorist atrocities.
Ordinary Joe public is ****ting himself. He has seen footage of Atocha and has smelt the burning of the London bombs. The news footage of Baghdad and Lebanon seem a world away, but European City Centers do not.
Base instincts are at work. Dark skinned "foreign" looking people, appear to be almost 100% responsible for planting the bombs and people are aware of that.
I have seen people moving seats on the tube, I have seen people moving seats on buses and I have seen people getting off early from both of the same. Fear is gripping society.
On an aircraft it is different. Once you strap in, you are at the mercy of circumstance until you arrive at your destination.
Mistrust is stalking the land with enormous strides. There are bound to be victims.
Better safe than sorry.
Some serious re-adjustment of values is required before the situation will get any better.
However, I fear it will only get worse
Innocent people are being sacrificed all over the world by higher powers, both organised governments and islamic militants, in dubious wars and unspeakable terrorist atrocities.
Ordinary Joe public is ****ting himself. He has seen footage of Atocha and has smelt the burning of the London bombs. The news footage of Baghdad and Lebanon seem a world away, but European City Centers do not.
Base instincts are at work. Dark skinned "foreign" looking people, appear to be almost 100% responsible for planting the bombs and people are aware of that.
I have seen people moving seats on the tube, I have seen people moving seats on buses and I have seen people getting off early from both of the same. Fear is gripping society.
On an aircraft it is different. Once you strap in, you are at the mercy of circumstance until you arrive at your destination.
Mistrust is stalking the land with enormous strides. There are bound to be victims.
Better safe than sorry.
Some serious re-adjustment of values is required before the situation will get any better.
However, I fear it will only get worse
El Grifo, eloquent, I could not have put it better myself. These are dark times. And we all seem to be losing perspective amongst this hysteria. For that is what it is.
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Actually flash8 it does say it all, but about the predjuices of many of the posters. I know several people who holiday in Spain, have houses there and they are not 'chavs' (which in itself is a racist term). University lecturers do not sound like 'chavs'.
Like myself they would not put up with this kind of behaviour from anybody regardless of their colour or appearance. Or is that how your airline operates?
It sounds like a good deal to me - go for a cheap day return flight, have a laugh baiting/frightening a few travellers, get a free hotel for the night, transport, food, sell your story to the newspapers, and possibly sue the airline for racism and get some compo.
Like myself they would not put up with this kind of behaviour from anybody regardless of their colour or appearance. Or is that how your airline operates?
It sounds like a good deal to me - go for a cheap day return flight, have a laugh baiting/frightening a few travellers, get a free hotel for the night, transport, food, sell your story to the newspapers, and possibly sue the airline for racism and get some compo.
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If they were booted because they were sh*tfaced, then why the **** didn't someone say so in the first place ?
Guess the gate staff must have "missed" the drunkenness and intimidation then
Guess the gate staff must have "missed" the drunkenness and intimidation then